So I finally played a "Wii" [Archive]

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-20-2006, 04:05 PM

Just wait and see. It has not even started yet and already Nintendo are facing being sued for "injuries sustained" (yes it is bullshit, but when has logic had any power in civil damages lawsuits?) Oh and Zelda has always had a very limited demographic. Their persistence with the dated Mario is rather sad too. They cling to their "old faithfuls" way too much, and it will cost them. They could have clung to their usual part-timers and kids market, but it is hard to see them even doing this with such a ludicrous move. "A console that keeps you fit"??? Oh dear lord, no. It is amazing what decisions are made through desperation and panic.

A company already in peril shooting themselves in the foot 3 times in a row? They cant take that. I suspect they will survive by doing a Sega and concentrating on software.

Drunkenmaster

12-20-2006, 06:32 PM

What about Madden, though? That seemed like it'd be fun.

stevenrwolfe

12-20-2006, 08:13 PM

2 million buyers are obviously wrong, and the Wii is for little girls who like Barbie and Polly Pocket, and anyone who likes it is a retard. 2 million sold in less than 2 months means nothing compared to the PS3's 500K, cuz that's got like, graphics and that SIXAXIS thing that's going to rock the whole world and possess my dolls!

http://nexgenwars.com/

Static Split Screen

12-20-2006, 08:25 PM

Elefterios

12-21-2006, 01:54 AM

if the ps3 doesnt copy the motion sensing concept controller thing (well even more than 6axis of course) then i stand by my purchase. but even at that, if in the future sony fucks around and somehow gets pass any copyright (if any) and does release a wiimote....somehow i know that super smash brawl will make up for it. =/

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-21-2006, 02:23 AM

What about Madden, though? That seemed like it'd be fun.
Madden is avaliable on other consoles without the stupid controller
2 million buyers are obviously wrong, and the Wii is for little girls who like Barbie and Polly Pocket, and anyone who likes it is a retard. 2 million sold in less than 2 months means nothing compared to the PS3's 500K, cuz that's got like, graphics and that SIXAXIS thing that's going to rock the whole world and possess my dolls!

http://nexgenwars.com/
Comparing sales of a console without unlimited supply to those that demand is WAY higher than supply is idiotic. Sales are nothing right now and most people are only using the WIi as a stop-gap untill the PS3 comes out. It will be hard to get rid of the Wii when the PS3 is out.I think it will be a success for nintendo, commercially at least. Even if only one good game comes out for it (the only real game that it has so far is Zelda) people will still buy it because of the design (surprisingly good), novelty value and price. I've got no doubt that the PS3 will be the better system in the war, especially in regards to game integrity and selection.

I just wanna see the x360 bomb, because I'm sick of fucking console ports getting into PC gaming.
Novelty value. EXACTLY!
if the ps3 doesnt copy the motion sensing concept controller thing (well even more than 6axis of course) then i stand by my purchase. but even at that, if in the future sony fucks around and somehow gets pass any copyright (if any) and does release a wiimote....somehow i know that super smash brawl will make up for it. =/
I doubt Sony would be that stupid.

Hi There, Am Pam

12-21-2006, 02:13 PM

Sales are nothing right now and most people are only using the WIi as a stop-gap untill the PS3 comes out. It will be hard to get rid of the Wii when the PS3 is out.

I'm not sure what is giving you that impression. I've read lots of press on the launches, and there was never an indication that people are just using the Wii as a stop-gap to the PS3. Consider C-Net's coverage; when the launches were occurring, the vast majority of the people on line for the PS3 were there to resell it, whereas the vast majority of people on line for a Wii were there to keep it. Also consider things such as the Wii not only outranking the PS3 in websearches, but the Wii also manged to dethrone the iPod as the most searched for item on the internet.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-21-2006, 02:44 PM

I'm not sure what is giving you that impression. I've read lots of press on the launches, and there was never an indication that people are just using the Wii as a stop-gap to the PS3. Consider C-Net's coverage; when the launches were occurring, the vast majority of the people on line for the PS3 were there to resell it, whereas the vast majority of people on line for a Wii were there to keep it. Also consider things such as the Wii not only outranking the PS3 in websearches, but the Wii also manged to dethrone the iPod as the most searched for item on the internet.

Rational thought is giving me the impression. How the fuck do you get peoples long-term intentions from launch press???? I have not met anybody who would prefer a Wii over a PS3 for obvious reasons. The fact is that hardly anyone can get hold of a PS3 and so they have to make do with the inferior machines for now. No problems with that, they understand the novelty value.

Your points are entirely redundant. ANYONE who is lucky enough to get hold of a PS3 right now would be an idiot to keep it. When you have a product as red hot as that and can sell it on instantly for several times what you got it for, knowing full well you can get the same thing much cheaper in a few months, you would either have to be brain-dead or made of money. Besides, only morons get a console within its first year. The smart people wait until the flaws are fixed, the software is better and it is cheaper.

If you really think most people would keep their Wiis over a PS3 then you are sadly mistaken, and as for your internet search effort, not only does that smack of desperation, but it is lunacy to try to suggest preference over it. There is no correlation between being able to have a console and looking stuff up about it, and not being able to have one and having no need to. That doesnt make sense.

God, this is total deja-vu. These are the exact same piss-poor reasons Dreamcast owners used as to why their console would kick the PS2's ass.

Some things never change.

Hi There, Am Pam

12-21-2006, 04:33 PM

Rational thought is giving me the impression. How the fuck do you get peoples long-term intentions from launch press????

Uhh... do you not understand how the intentions of the people who are buying the systems correlates to whether or not people are buying the system for the sake of keeping it? The launch press was simply C-Net interviewing people on line about what they intended to do with their machines. The vast majority of people who bought Wiis were buying them because they actually wanted the machine. That was my entire point - that your claim that people are only buying the Wii because they're "holding out" for the PS3 is ludicrous.

I have not met anybody who would prefer a Wii over a PS3 for obvious reasons. The fact is that hardly anyone can get hold of a PS3 and so they have to make do with the inferior machines for now. No problems with that, they understand the novelty value.

The Wii is just about as hard to get as the PS3, so I'm not sure what your point is or how you reached the conclusion that people who are buying Wiis are doing so because they really want a PS3.

Your points are entirely redundant. ANYONE who is lucky enough to get hold of a PS3 right now would be an idiot to keep it. When you have a product as red hot as that and can sell it on instantly for several times what you got it for, knowing full well you can get the same thing much cheaper in a few months, you would either have to be brain-dead or made of money.

I want to point out that I'm not saying that people's intentions to sell the system does not say anything bad about Sony. What I'm saying is that your statement about people buying the Wii because they're holding out for Sony is not correct.

If you really think most people would keep their Wiis over a PS3 then you are sadly mistaken,

*blinks* I'm not sure where you think I said that. I'm also not aware of any mail-in rebates from Sony which would allow people to just trade in a Wii for a PS3, so....

and as for your internet search effort, not only does that smack of desperation, but it is lunacy to try to suggest preference over it. There is no correlation between being able to have a console and looking stuff up about it, and not being able to have one and having no need to. That doesnt make sense.

Uhh, what? You're right, that doesn't make sense. I have no idea why you typed that. It's not "my internet search effort", it was from an article stating that the Wii was the most searched for item. I think you entirely miss my points and go off on rants. The only point I had there is that there is a genuine interest in the Wii, whereas you seemed to be implying that most people are just using the Wii as a stop-gap. I doubt most people who are looking up iPods are doing so as a stop-gap to the Zune.

Anyway, I can't believe we're arguing this. I'm just trying to state that some of what you are saying is just completely out of right-field. I think there is room for 3 systems in the market, just like last generation. Especially when you consider how radically different the 360, PS3, & Wii are from each other.

I think consoles are interesting to discuss, but when people are trying to argue the superiority of one console over the other, it's kind of like retarded. It's not like there is this one magic console which rules over all the others. As long as a console has a good base of games, it really doesn't matter. Now, I certainly respect that your impression of the controls suck, and that's going to factor into your opinion. I also have a friend who played one last weekend, and said he had an absolute blast and has never been more excited about a console (the last console he had was a Genesis). I'll wait to try it before I comment on the quality of the controller itself.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-22-2006, 12:45 AM

Uhh... do you not understand how the intentions of the people who are buying the systems correlates to whether or not people are buying the system for the sake of keeping it? The launch press was simply C-Net interviewing people on line about what they intended to do with their machines. The vast majority of people who bought Wiis were buying them because they actually wanted the machine. That was my entire point - that your claim that people are only buying the Wii because they're "holding out" for the PS3 is ludicrous.
So let me get this straight. You are basing your view on some dumb journo interviewing a few morons ONLINE????? That is hardly substantial evidence. Of all the people I KNOW in the real world, no one who owns a Wii intends to keep it when the PS3 is released. Some might keep it AS WELL, but if they dont have the money, the Wii is going bye bye. A few people I know are trying to flog it already and realise they made a mistake.

The Wii is just about as hard to get as the PS3, so I'm not sure what your point is or how you reached the conclusion that people who are buying Wiis are doing so because they really want a PS3.
You cannot have posted that with a straight face. That is the biggest load of bullshit ever. The PS3 has had notorious difficulties in supply. They are like gold dust, people are being robbed at gunpoint to get one. There are only a few thousand in existence, and they are not even avaliable AT ALL in Europe, whilst on the other hand, you can stroll right in anywhere and get a Wii. You could not be more wrong.

I want to point out that I'm not saying that people's intentions to sell the system does not say anything bad about Sony. What I'm saying is that your statement about people buying the Wii because they're holding out for Sony is not correct.
But it is correct

*blinks* I'm not sure where you think I said that. I'm also not aware of any mail-in rebates from Sony which would allow people to just trade in a Wii for a PS3, so....

Uhh, what? You're right, that doesn't make sense. I have no idea why you typed that. It's not "my internet search effort", it was from an article stating that the Wii was the most searched for item. I think you entirely miss my points and go off on rants. The only point I had there is that there is a genuine interest in the Wii, whereas you seemed to be implying that most people are just using the Wii as a stop-gap. I doubt most people who are looking up iPods are doing so as a stop-gap to the Zune.
I am not IMPLYING that it is a stop gap, I am saying so quite openly. Do you really think internet searches have anything to do it??? Thats what makes it desperate. Sure, people want look up about their stop-gap, why not? But what is the relevance?

Anyway, I can't believe we're arguing this. I'm just trying to state that some of what you are saying is just completely out of right-field. I think there is room for 3 systems in the market, just like last generation. Especially when you consider how radically different the 360, PS3, & Wii are from each other.
Hey there is always room, it is just a pity the competition is poor, its bad for consumers.

I think consoles are interesting to discuss, but when people are trying to argue the superiority of one console over the other, it's kind of like retarded. It's not like there is this one magic console which rules over all the others. As long as a console has a good base of games, it really doesn't matter. Now, I certainly respect that your impression of the controls suck, and that's going to factor into your opinion. I also have a friend who played one last weekend, and said he had an absolute blast and has never been more excited about a console (the last console he had was a Genesis). I'll wait to try it before I comment on the quality of the controller itself.
No, no, no. Consoles are all about superiority and there has always been ones that rule the roost. You are wrong there.

Reginald I. Perrin

12-22-2006, 05:59 AM

Considering that both consoles are only just out, I think prognostications of doom either way are perhaps a little bit premature.

Fab

12-22-2006, 06:43 AM

Tago Mago

12-22-2006, 07:20 AM

Rid of all the console war bullshit, the fact of the matter is that it's been Nintendo's most successful launch since the SNES, so to proclaim that it's going to be the end of the company is just daft.

I agree. But this thread isn't likely to ever rise above polemics -- basically, since Danny's decided that the Wii sucks, it will with absolute certainty bring about Nintendo's downfall. Will too. Will too.

Hi There, Am Pam

12-22-2006, 10:10 AM

There are only a few thousand in existence, and they are not even avaliable AT ALL in Europe, whilst on the other hand, you can stroll right in anywhere and get a Wii. You could not be more wrong.

I don't know about Europe, but I have called every single Nintendo retailer in my area to see if they had any Wiis. Not a single store had one. This was weeks after the release, and the only possible way to get one is to still camp out the morning a store gets them in. People working at these stores told me that they sell out before the store even opens. But I guess I could "stroll right in anywhere and get a Wii".

And let's see... a few thousand PS3s in existence? You sir, are what we call insane.

No, no, no. Consoles are all about superiority and there has always been ones that rule the roost. You are wrong there.

Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. The only generation which has only had one single dominate console was the NES area. I also love how you state that "Consoles are all about superiority". Yeah, I know when I come home from a hard day's work, I look to have fun by thinking to myself, "Gee, I'm so glad I bought a console which dominated a generation. What fun!" And because the Gamecube came in third in total sales, I often chastise it by dipping it in tar & feathers. I just absolutely can not enjoy the games knowing that the console didn't dominate.

This is severely retarded.

Noshus Klam

12-22-2006, 10:18 AM

I think Danny has just proven that he can be a dick about just about everything.

Atomsk Iscariot

12-22-2006, 11:12 AM

God, I sincerely enjoy the Wii.

Jackal

12-22-2006, 11:12 AM

:lol:

What game were you playing Danny?

Reginald I. Perrin

12-22-2006, 01:19 PM

I remember a time when arguing over systems was confined to 12 year olds in the schoolyard, and was hardly serious.

What happened to, y'know, just enjoying games? Regardless of the system they were on? When did arguing over systems turn into serious business?

jas1n

12-22-2006, 01:25 PM

I think it will be a success for nintendo, commercially at least. Even if only one good game comes out for it (the only real game that it has so far is Zelda) people will still buy it because of the design (surprisingly good), novelty value and price. I've got no doubt that the PS3 will be the better system in the war, especially in regards to game integrity and selection.

I just wanna see the x360 bomb, because I'm sick of fucking console ports getting into PC gaming.

i really like the 360, but like the other two systems- it needs a better selection of games.

Sales are nothing right now and most people are only using the WIi as a stop-gap untill the PS3 comes out.

a stop-gap? are you suggesting that people are purchasing a Wii just so they can play it until they can buy a PS3? i guess at this point if you can afford a PS3 you have enough money to throw around..

God, this is total deja-vu. These are the exact same piss-poor reasons Dreamcast owners used as to why their console would kick the PS2's ass.

UNGH, i fucking love my dreamcast still. if only Sega would've known how to market it better. i think it's hard to argue how one system is better than another. even tho the PS3 costs a fucking fortune, i would have one if it was any cheaper.

jas1n

12-22-2006, 01:27 PM

also on the subject of the controller: as much as i like it, i'm not always in the mood to stand up and swing the controller around or whatev. that's when it's handy to own more than one console.

Hi There, Am Pam

12-22-2006, 01:43 PM

I remember thinking the Dreamcast was lame because it was released somewhat soon after the Saturn, but then I got a chance to play it. The controller was pretty awesome, and the emulation capability was an unintended bonus. I didn't get a chance to play too many games for it, but I was impressed by how well it was designed.

Tago Mago

12-22-2006, 03:53 PM

Dreamcast had two of my favorite games ever in Shenmue I and II.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-22-2006, 04:38 PM

I don't know about Europe, but I have called every single Nintendo retailer in my area to see if they had any Wiis. Not a single store had one. This was weeks after the release, and the only possible way to get one is to still camp out the morning a store gets them in. People working at these stores told me that they sell out before the store even opens. But I guess I could "stroll right in anywhere and get a Wii".

And let's see... a few thousand PS3s in existence? You sir, are what we call insane.

Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. The only generation which has only had one single dominate console was the NES area. I also love how you state that "Consoles are all about superiority". Yeah, I know when I come home from a hard day's work, I look to have fun by thinking to myself, "Gee, I'm so glad I bought a console which dominated a generation. What fun!" And because the Gamecube came in third in total sales, I often chastise it by dipping it in tar & feathers. I just absolutely can not enjoy the games knowing that the console didn't dominate.

This is severely retarded.

You really are talking out of your arse.

They availiability of the Wii has been WAAAYY more thn that of the PS3, which had problems. I could go out and get a Wii in-store tomorrow without pre-booking. But a PS3? Yeah, right.

Enough of your laughable dribble about superiority. Both playstations were entirely dominant for the last 10 years! In the case of the PSX, it even destroyed a machine with twice the capabilities! I suggest you do some research and learn about the subject, rather than just making it up as you go along.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-22-2006, 04:39 PM

I think Danny has just proven that he can be a dick about just about everything.

..and this is your solitary contribution to the debate?

Oh to have a brain as moronic as yours :cry:

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-22-2006, 04:45 PM

I agree. But this thread isn't likely to ever rise above polemics -- basically, since Danny's decided that the Wii sucks, it will with absolute certainty bring about Nintendo's downfall. Will too. Will too.

And since you've decided to act like a smug dickhead, you really do have a worthwhile life. Do so. Do so.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-22-2006, 04:45 PM

:lol:

What game were you playing Danny?

Zelda, Call of Duty and Need for Speed.

Hi There, Am Pam

12-22-2006, 05:37 PM

Enough of your laughable dribble about superiority.

You might want to adjust the "Irony" setting on your monitor. It seems you have it turned off.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-23-2006, 02:57 AM

You might want to adjust the "Irony" setting on your monitor. It seems you have it turned off.

Oh, so you were making all that up? That makes sense now.

Noshus Klam

12-23-2006, 04:13 AM

..and this is your solitary contribution to the debate?

Oh to have a brain as moronic as yours :cry:

Sorry man, I stopped debating about video games at around 10 years old. Sorry I don't share your passion for the subject.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-23-2006, 05:30 AM

Sorry man, I stopped debating about video games at around 10 years old. Sorry I don't share your passion for the subject.

Oh well done! Something approaching a comment on the subject.

Yeah, some people dont have the stamina and fall by the wayside. Some of us can keep the passion going for ages.

Fab

12-23-2006, 06:24 AM

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-23-2006, 08:39 AM

Hey Danny, even if people are only buying the Wii as a stopgap, Nintendo are still making money on every one sold along with all the software, so where you're getting this notion that they're doomed is beyond me. It's not like Sony who lose $100 on every PS3 they sell, and whose gaming division is estimated to lose $1.7 billion by the end of the financial year.

1. Money made (or lost) on consoles are an absolute pittance of the market. A console is sold for the purpose of selling games, and lots of them. Obviously, consoles cost a lot more to make than games do and no one really makes any porift on them after all the R & D gone into it. Sony needed to shift 6 million PS2's before it even broke even.

I just think, that come 2009-10, when the figures should start to tell the whole picture, people will be turned off the gimmicky controller and the novelty will be well and truly gone. Lets not forget other factors, like the Blu-ray player. A lot will depend on how much the prices fall on HDTVs, but Sony being Sony they would see to that themselves. The PS2 was THE major factor in making DVD-players affordable, and although the transition is not so strong this time around, it will have a big impact.

Reginald I. Perrin

12-23-2006, 08:48 AM

...and anyone else who says anything different should die 'cause they're obviously fucking retards.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-23-2006, 10:47 AM

...and anyone else who says anything different should die 'cause they're obviously fucking retards.

To argue against fact and rational logical processes would be pretty retarded, yeah.

Fab

12-23-2006, 11:18 AM

In which case: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=10122

Reginald I. Perrin

12-23-2006, 04:58 PM

In which case: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=10122

A decent article. Shame that you'll probably recieve several insults back.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-24-2006, 01:57 AM

A decent article. Shame that you'll probably recieve several insults back.

Ah yes, the snide remark. A true symbol of the coward, well done.

The article was particularly unspectacular. A so-called "expert" saying what might or indeed, might not happen. Many other "experts" have directly opposing views. Wouldnt trust a word any of them say. They are notorious for getting it wrong.

jas1n

12-24-2006, 03:09 AM

A so-called "expert" saying what might or indeed, might not happen. Many other "experts" have directly opposing views. Wouldnt trust a word any of them say. They are notorious for getting it wrong.

fair enough, who knows what's really gonna happen yet?

Elefterios

12-24-2006, 04:38 AM

i think the consoles will do well depending on their game library.

so far there's isnt much going for any system....

besides the mains of course

360=halo3
wii=smash bros brawl
ps3=mgs4 (that might also come out on the 360)

did i win?

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-24-2006, 05:11 AM

fair enough, who knows what's really gonna happen yet?
Nobody for sure. Which is why history is the best indicator and since nothing dramatic has happened and nothing new has occured in the last 10 years, the sensible view would be that the status quo would remain. There is no reason to doubt this.
i think the consoles will do well depending on their game library.

so far there's isnt much going for any system....

besides the mains of course

360=halo3
wii=smash bros brawl
ps3=mgs4 (that might also come out on the 360)

did i win?
Well, yeah. We have already discussed how a console is based on its games. And there is always very little for around the first year, which is why only fools with too much money buy a console in its infancy. You need far more than one game to make it a success and software houses prefer working for Sony.

Fab

12-24-2006, 08:40 AM

software houses prefer working for Sony.
:therock: http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20061222/adams_01.shtml

Reginald I. Perrin

12-24-2006, 09:05 AM

Ah yes, the snide remark. A true symbol of the coward, well done.

I don't see any reason to bother arguing with you, Danny - you argue like a child. Nothing but insult after insult, so why should I waste my time? Why on earth anyone actually bothers wasting their time arguing with you is a mystery.

Jackal

12-24-2006, 10:32 AM

Danny, does the controller work instantaneously and in sync with the action, or does in lag behind? Can it be moved just a bit or does it have to be moved wildly and forcefully?

Doesn't it come with a regular controller anyway, in case your tired and don't feel like moving?

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-24-2006, 12:36 PM

I don't see any reason to bother arguing with you, Danny - you argue like a child. Nothing but insult after insult, so why should I waste my time? Why on earth anyone actually bothers wasting their time arguing with you is a mystery.
Go call a wah-wah-wahmbulance. You just throw the same old bullshit, lies and insults at me in the absence of anything constructive. It is just infantile and boring. Coming on to the thread just to attack me is pretty darn sad.

Danny, does the controller work instantaneously and in sync with the action, or does in lag behind? Can it be moved just a bit or does it have to be moved wildly and forcefully?

Doesn't it come with a regular controller anyway, in case your tired and don't feel like moving?
A little lag but not much. It is hit and miss whether you actually get it to do what you want it to and therefore can be highly frustrating.

As for your final question - no. Maybe they could save themselves by developing a decent controller, but judging by the way the games have been developed it would be tricky if not impossible. It is an interaction system as badly designed as the EyeToy, and the novelty of that wore off pretty damn fast and flopped. Why would the Wii, which does essentially the same thing, be any different?

stevenrwolfe

12-24-2006, 03:01 PM

Atomsk Iscariot

12-24-2006, 03:39 PM

Why on earth anyone actually bothers wasting their time arguing with you is a mystery.

We have a winner.

Seriously, people here need to start realizing this.

Reginald I. Perrin

12-24-2006, 04:06 PM

Go call a wah-wah-wahmbulance. You just throw the same old bullshit, lies and insults at me in the absence of anything constructive. It is just infantile and boring. Coming on to the thread just to attack me is pretty darn sad.

Lies? What lies are these? Are you saying that you don't go into threads and belittle the opinions of anyone who disagrees with you?

That's all just really, really funny coming from you. Calling someone infantile when you can't argue with anybody without insulting them, and calling someone boring when this is what you practically spend your whole time on the Internet doing - attacking people.

And if I'm sad for attacking you, then god only knows what that makes you - a man who spends all his time spent on this board attacking people. You don't even have the right to say the word "bullshit" to anyone, 'cause after all, you're nothing but a troll. And the joke is long in the tooth to say the least.

I'm done here anyway. Of course if you want constructive shit, then I could probably easily pull up various examples of the trollish shit that you pull, but you don't know anything about constructive arguments so I probably won't bother.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-24-2006, 04:30 PM

God damn you're an annoying little twat.

You didn't like the Wii, and therefore it must suck. All you do is come in here with opinion and brow-beat anyone who dares to think differently than you when the facts show that Nintendo's new console is doing far better than the PS3 in every sense. Not one persons opinion, but fact. There are more units, more users, more games, better games, and the Wii is more profitable than anything Sony could hope of conjuring up. Go read some of the hundreds of articles detailing how well the Wii is doing and how big of a flop the PS3 has been and then try to come back here with facts, not shitty opinions, that support your point.

3..2..1...cue insults, cuz I know that's all you can do.

Hmm, it appears insults are all YOU can do, obviously. Apart from your apparent lack of knowledge of the subject and your subsequent laughable claims, (if you could actually read you would have noticed that current figures are entirely irrelevant and as you parrot your totally incorrect mantra
over and over ad nauseum, it just makes you look like a tit. How can a machine which isn't even out yet be a flop,moron?) you also struggle with the use of the word "fact", as you think your solitary opinion is the same thing.

Uneducated and hypocritical. You have a lot to work on.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-24-2006, 04:36 PM

1.you argue like a child.
2. Nothing but insult after insult, so why should I waste my time?
3. you can't argue with anybody without insulting them,
4. calling someone boring when this is what you practically spend your whole time on the Internet doing - attacking people.
5. you - a man who spends all his time spent on this board attacking people.
6. You don't even have the right to say the word "bullshit" to anyone,
7. you're nothing but a troll.
8. I could probably easily pull up various examples of the trollish shit that you pull,
9. you don't know anything about constructive arguments
Lies? I think there is plenty there to be getting on with. I'm sure you can come up with more, but as these examples show, your lies are childish, insulting (ergo hypocritical) and so similar as to be exceptionally dull.

Hence I repeat, the same old bullshit.

Next moron to the plate, please.

stevenrwolfe

12-24-2006, 05:34 PM

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

You sure are stubborn, aren't you?

The only one here who can't see that you're a complete moron is yourself, but what should we suspect from someone who calls himself Narcissistic?

Elefterios

12-25-2006, 12:51 AM

haha anyone seen this?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0G0LlXv-nyI

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-25-2006, 02:43 AM

You sure are stubborn, aren't you?

The only one here who can't see that you're a complete moron is yourself, but what should we suspect from someone who calls himself Narcissistic?

Once again, you try to pass off opinion as fact. Hmmm, most 5 year olds know the difference, but not you, it seems. Your arrogance at claiming to speak for everybody is astounding. Astounding, amusing and utterly incorrect.

Oh and I must also educate you on narcissism. Not only does my sn have nothing to do with that, (I do not call myself narcissistic at all (that is a small n, btw :) ), but seeing as you get everything else wrong, it is no surprise you fucked up here too), but the state has nothing to do with with intelligence and so any inference of stupidity from the term, is itself, well, stupid.

Right, now will all the idiots please go back to the villages and leave this discussion for those who actually have something to say on the subject, rather than using this as their base for their petty, juvenile and pathetic attempts at revenge against me? I know everyone wants a piece of me, you all want revenge for making you look stupid, same as always ..yawn, yawn...but you will never get it, so just tuck your sorry little tail between your legs, stop crying like little girls and grow up. If people act like an adult, then I will treat them with respect. You act like egotistical, immature and hypocritical retards, then I will keep ripping you to pieces. Almost every time I have a decent adult discussion on here, morons come flocking like flies around shit to try and ruin it. The entertainment factor of your stupidity is wearing thin, it is getting dull. Trying growing some balls and stop being such dickheads, it will do you good. Your call, it is very simple.

Atomsk Iscariot

12-25-2006, 03:23 AM

We have a winner.

Seriously, people here need to start realizing this.

Aaaaaaaaaaand no one listened to me.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-25-2006, 06:03 AM

Aaaaaaaaaaand no one listened to me.

Oh do shut up. You are like a broken record. I dont care for your cowardly remarks.

Fab

12-25-2006, 08:38 AM

the fact of the matter is that it's been Nintendo's most successful launch since the SNES
Aopologies, it turns out I might have been wrong with this statement. It's actually the most successful launch EVER, in Europe and Australia at least. And Nintendo had made $190 million from the Wii by the end of November (comparing this to Sony's gaming division's estimated loss of $1.7 billion by the end of the year).

Bye, bye Nintendo. At least you had fun while it lasted eh? Yep, these are clearly the accounts of a company in dire straits.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-25-2006, 11:21 AM

Aopologies, it turns out I might have been wrong with this statement. It's actually the most successful launch EVER, in Europe and Australia at least. And Nintendo had made $190 million from the Wii by the end of November (comparing this to Sony's gaming division's estimated loss of $1.7 billion by the end of the year).

Yep, these are clearly the accounts of a company in dire straits.

Going round in circles with half-truths, eh?

They will still be losing money, probably way more than Sony. I repeat again - no company makes a profit on console sales. Besides, that doesnt take into account a) the unavailaibility of the PS3, b) first-year sales mean very little and c) the novelty value, so it is pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. So yeah, that is a piss-drop in the ocean and wont help Nintendo out of their mess one little bit.

Fab

12-25-2006, 12:09 PM

Going round in circles with half-truths, eh?
um, no:
Source (http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/747/747728p1.html) for revenue of $190million by the end of November.
Source (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=21691) for the fastest selling console ever in Europe.
Source (http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=21700) for fastest selling console in Australia.

They will still be losing money, probably way more than Sony.
Unless you're going to find some kind of source for this I call bullshit, I've already shown you a reputable source stating Nintendo are making good money from the Wii.

Fab

12-25-2006, 12:20 PM

I repeat again - no company makes a profit on console sales.Repeat all you like, Nintendo make about $40 on every Wii (Source (http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2006/12/14/nintendo-makes-40-per-console/)), Sony lose over $240 on every PS3 (Source (http://blogs.business2.com/utilitybelt/2006/11/sonys_loss_is_a.html)). Obviously that doesn't include marketing costs, but on the hardware alone, Nintendo is making a profit.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-25-2006, 12:29 PM

um, no:
Source (http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/747/747728p1.html) for revenue of $190 by the end of November.
Source (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=21691) for the fastest selling console ever in Europe.
Source (http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=21700) for fastest selling console in Australia.

Unless you're going to find some kind of source for this I call bullshit, I've already shown you a reputable source stating Nintendo are making good money from the Wii.

Um, yes. You still havent addressed the points I made in my previous posts. Just ignoring them wont make them go away.

You want a source? Go check how many millions Nintendo has spent on R&D, manufacture, marketing, advertising, advance models, redesign, software house incentives etc etc, then compare that to the paltry amount they get back from each console once the retailer, distributor, middle man etc get their cut.

They are not MAKING money, they are LOSING money. This is how all consoles work. It is only cost-effective in the long-term. If you call such basic economics "bullshit", then you have such a poor grasp of the subject, there is very little I can do. Your half-truth of small-term turnover conveniently ignoring outgoings (whilst making a pointless comparison between short-yield turnover for one company v profit of a company with a machine not even mass-produced yet) means nothing at all, so your "reputable" source is anything but. Is this still not sinking in? I feel like I having to repeat myself over and over.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-25-2006, 12:33 PM

Repeat all you like, Nintendo make about $40 on every Wii (Source (http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2006/12/14/nintendo-makes-40-per-console/)), Sony lose over $240 on every PS3 (Source (http://blogs.business2.com/utilitybelt/2006/11/sonys_loss_is_a.html)). Obviously that doesn't include marketing costs, but on the hardware alone, Nintendo is making a profit.

Again, ignoring my points wont help you any. Does your "source" address costs for R & D, advertising et al?

Exactly. Didnt think so. Hell, your source is so poor it doesnt even enter the distributors cut, packaging, other hardware and a gazillion others!!

So on the hardware alone, Nintendo is making a big loss. But that is entirely normal.

Your source is heavily disputed on the very same page.

You need new sources, my friend.

EDIT: Is it really pitching for less than 200 bucks, stateside? Hell, no wonder there are so many early eager-beavers. They will be losing more money on it than I thought. Thats cheap as fuck. The poor man's console indeed.

Fab

12-25-2006, 12:37 PM

Again, ignoring my points wont help you any.

Oh the irony, you really are a moron.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-25-2006, 12:47 PM

Oh the irony, you really are a moron.

Well considering I have addressed all your points and you just ignore mine and resort to insults instead, I fail to see the irony. Maybe you are just confused. Go get a dictionary and look the word up. You might understand the word better then. Good luck :yes:

Chopstick

12-26-2006, 04:01 AM

I'm hearing, and I firmly believe that there will be an upsurgence in sales for the Sega 32X (Source: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=my+ass&btnG=Search+Images) Start saving your pennies now, because once 2D side-scrolling action is revived with the launch of Sonic 4, all challengers are fucked.

Also... I can easily see myself getting a Wii to compliment the 360 and 32X I already have.

jas1n

12-26-2006, 05:42 AM

EDIT: Is it really pitching for less than 200 bucks, stateside? Hell, no wonder there are so many early eager-beavers. They will be losing more money on it than I thought. Thats cheap as fuck. The poor man's console indeed.

nah, it's actually retailing for $249.

regardless of who is losing more money on their console- spending 60 dollars for most PS3 and XBOX360 games is a bunch of bullshit.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-26-2006, 10:24 AM

nah, it's actually retailing for $249.

regardless of who is losing more money on their console- spending 60 dollars for most PS3 and XBOX360 games is a bunch of bullshit.

I thought so. I think it is £175 ($350) over here. So that "source" was inaccurate in that too.

How much are Wii games retailing for in the states? 60 bucks is pretty cheap compared to here considering that it costs 80 bucks for PS2 games and Wii games are selling for that price too. Yeah, it is ridiculously expensive, but then you can always get them a lot cheaper if you wait, find the right store or make eBay your friend.

That is why they are so expensive though. They cut their losses on the console and make the mega-bucks from the games.

The Tourist

12-26-2006, 06:07 PM

my contribution is this!
I don't buy computer games because I begrudge spending ridiculous amounts of money on games. Plus I'm not particularly enamoured with playing computer games, thus is there is little point! That said, I would like to have a go on a Wii. Is there not an option where you can use a normal controller rather than having to do the whole swinging your arms about crap? Surely it would get tedious having to play games like that all the time? Also, wouldn't the controllers break after not too long? I'm sure electronic gismos don't last too long if you're constantly bashing them about. Feast on my expert opinion!

Suede

12-26-2006, 08:24 PM

Is there not an option where you can use a normal controller rather than having to do the whole swinging your arms about crap? Surely it would get tedious having to play games like that all the time? Also, wouldn't the controllers break after not too long? I'm sure electronic gismos don't last too long if you're constantly bashing them about. Feast on my expert opinion!

I want to know this too.

And the Wii Points Card, you enter a number to "download" NES,SNES, N64 games? Or you have to connect to the internet or something? The games you get you keep forever?

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-27-2006, 02:08 AM

As I said earlier, the way the games are built around motion on the controller, it would be difficult for a regular controller to be built for it. The constant physical over-reaction would get very tedious but then it isnt designed for lengthy hardcore gaming, it is designed for part-timers and kids.

As for the downloadable backwards games, it just seems like a great way of getting people to pay for cheap freeware. So if you still have SNES games, then you can't use them, you have to buy them again, WTF?

Jackal

12-27-2006, 10:01 AM

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-27-2006, 11:30 AM

Yeah, some of our fucking x-box games won't play on our fucking x-box 360 and I think that fucking sucks ass. So I will be pissed if we have to fucking pay for fucking games we already fucking have for the fucking Wii.

I'm a part-time player, I play worse than children, I get bored just sitting, so it sounds perfect!

7 fuckings. Not bad.

The PS3 will have "95% compatibiltiy". What that exactly means, we will have to wait until it is released to find out. But the PS2 had perfect back-compatibility, and the PS3 will allegedly play PSX games too, all without having to buy them again, so the signs are good. Saying that, the "other" 5% will probably be the ones that you really want to play.

Chopstick

12-27-2006, 12:14 PM

I don't get the fuss over backwards compatability. If you have old games, then you should also have an old system with which to play them. That also applies to the old NES games on Wii online. I think that's a great bargain for people who never got a chance to play the old classics or who no longer have working carts and got tired of blowing into their NES. I hear the price is supposed to be a pittance, anyway. Can't back that up, tho. Hopefully, they'll do like Xbox Live Arcade and have perfect ports of classic arcade games that the 16 bit systems weren't powerful enough to handle, ie: Street Figher II' and Smash TV.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-27-2006, 01:14 PM

The thing is, you can then sell your old system for some small bucks, and if you keep it, the extreme hassle of disconnecting and re-connecting to put another console in can be a drag. Besides, the can also run smoother and quicker on the later consoles. It isn't VITAL, but it is extremely handy.

Squirrel

12-27-2006, 08:32 PM

I would rather have a Wii than an XBox or a PS3. :O

Hi There, Am Pam

12-28-2006, 01:51 AM

I want to know this too.

And the Wii Points Card, you enter a number to "download" NES,SNES, N64 games? Or you have to connect to the internet or something? The games you get you keep forever?

The normal controller issue depends on the game.

As for the Wii Points system, yes, you have to be connected to the Internet for it to work. A wireless network is required for any of the online material. The great thing about the system is that once you buy the game, you can redownload it anytime you want, even if you delete it from the Wii's hard drive. The downside is that Nintendo decided that you should only be able to download to the Wii, not to flash memory. Thus, if you go over your friend's house, you'd have to bring your Wii in order to play the game. I guess it's to be expected, or else people could take advantage of it, but it still sucks.

I defintely plan on getting a few of the essential games since they're cheap enough. There are a number of potential features that would make it worthwhile, rather than sticking to the old console versions. Improved graphics & framerate, but more importantly, the potential to play some of the games in online multiplayer mode. I just hope Nintendo follows through on that potential.

Hi There, Am Pam

12-28-2006, 01:55 AM

Oh, and the Wiimote can, apparently, be used in NES, Genesis, and TurboGrafx-16 games, but not SNES & N64, for some reason.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-28-2006, 06:10 AM

I would rather have a Wii than an XBox or a PS3. :O

Ha! Exactly! Thanks for proving my formula, Wii=part-timers and kids.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-28-2006, 06:12 AM

TThe great thing about the system is that once you buy the game, you can redownload it anytime you want

...which is so slow, it takes forever and a day, apparently. So not only do you have to PAY for ancient, dated games, but you have to wait for ages too. Nice!

Tago Mago

12-28-2006, 11:52 AM

That horse isn't quite dead yet, Danny. Keep flogging it.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-28-2006, 12:24 PM

That horse isn't quite dead yet, Danny. Keep flogging it.

The bullshit you talk is still pointless, snide, cowardly and childish, moron. Keep posting it. :rolleyes:

stevenrwolfe

12-28-2006, 01:26 PM

...which is so slow, it takes forever and a day, apparently. So not only do you have to PAY for ancient, dated games, but you have to wait for ages too. Nice!

Actually, it isn't slow. Take it from someone who was a Wii, downloads take, at most, 5 minutes.

I found a good article for you to read, check it out

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/165735

some tidbits, but be sure to read the whole thing for yourself...

"Wii was definitely the most popular by far," said Paul Webber, manager of EB Games near Victoria Park and Danforth Aves. "It was 10 to 1. Twenty to 40 people were lined up every morning in front of the store. A PS3 would take a whole day to sell while a Wii was gone in 20 minutes."

"Anecdotally, the Wii certainly has beaten the PS3 over the holiday," says Brian Crecente, editor of Kotaku.com, a gaming website. "The people purchasing the Wii seem to be more happy with their purchase than the people who purchased the PS3."

"I found the demand for the Wii to be higher," says Shariq Iqeal, 23, from Mississauga.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-28-2006, 02:13 PM

Actually, it isn't slow. Take it from someone who was a Wii, downloads take, at most, 5 minutes.

I found a good article for you to read, check it out

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/165735

some tidbits, but be sure to read the whole thing for yourself...

"Wii was definitely the most popular by far," said Paul Webber, manager of EB Games near Victoria Park and Danforth Aves. "It was 10 to 1. Twenty to 40 people were lined up every morning in front of the store. A PS3 would take a whole day to sell while a Wii was gone in 20 minutes."

"Anecdotally, the Wii certainly has beaten the PS3 over the holiday," says Brian Crecente, editor of Kotaku.com, a gaming website. "The people purchasing the Wii seem to be more happy with their purchase than the people who purchased the PS3."

"I found the demand for the Wii to be higher," says Shariq Iqeal, 23, from Mississauga.
Well, considering I have been told by people with a decent level of intelligence that it takes forever, I would take their word over some retard on an internet messageboard who comes onto my threads to talk nonsense and tries to start a fight. Unlucky, you lose.

Wow, congrats on providing the comedy and finding a "gaming website" run by morons who dont know what they are talking about (sounds like your ideal site! :) ). That must have to took some time. :yes:

stevenrwolfe

12-28-2006, 02:19 PM

Right. The Toronto Star is a gaming magazine. Maybe your friends need to check their internet connectin or get an upgrade, cuz it's fine for me.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-28-2006, 02:27 PM

Right. The Toronto Star is a gaming magazine. Maybe your friends need to check their internet connectin or get an upgrade, cuz it's fine for me.

Yes, I'm sure it is. ;)

Hi There, Am Pam

12-28-2006, 03:28 PM

...which is so slow, it takes forever and a day, apparently. So not only do you have to PAY for ancient, dated games, but you have to wait for ages too. Nice!

I can understand slow downloads considering that the service has just launched a month ago. What Nintnedo really needs to fix is the navigation speed of the online service (I.E. to go from a page on the available downloads to the individual games takes too long, from what I've read). Nintendo could cache these things beforehand, considering the fact that the Wii is connected 24 hours a day. They just need to go and actually do it.

stevenrwolfe

12-28-2006, 03:33 PM

The connectin speed for my channels, internet, and downloads are all just fine and AFAP.

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-28-2006, 03:52 PM

well thats just dandy. :)

Squirrel

12-28-2006, 05:34 PM

Ha! Exactly! Thanks for proving my formula, Wii=part-timers and kids.

Which one am I?

Narcissistic Nihilist

12-29-2006, 12:53 AM

What, you dont wanna choose?

jas1n

12-29-2006, 04:37 PM

i guess i'm a part-timer.

the Wii downloads for me are sometimes fast and sometimes not. and sometimes it just freezes. could it be my connection? maybe, i don't care that much to really look into it. :\

Peter

01-05-2007, 03:30 AM

I think Danny has just proven that he can be a dick about just about everything.

the best post in the entire thread. as such, it is now my signature!

Evil Meanie

01-05-2007, 09:57 PM

It's pretty damn dumb to see someone argue so passionately about something when absolutely zero evidence rests in their corner.

Then they call a newspaper a gaming magazine.

Peter

01-06-2007, 12:35 AM

then he ask for facts from other people, which people indisputedly provide, and then goes on to say that those facts are nothing more than figments of the imagination and are not actually factual at all (but what he says, without backup, is fact).

but such is danny. we'll see if his impending wedding works out, or if he chickens out like he did the last few times.

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 01:30 AM

the best post in the entire thread. as such, it is now my signature!
Nice one, moron. I'm glad I have got to you that badly, loser.
It's pretty damn dumb to see someone argue so passionately about something when absolutely zero evidence rests in their corner.

Then they call a newspaper a gaming magazine.
It is pretty stupid to make ridiculous claims about evidence when you obviously have not read the thread considering how I have supplied all the evidence that is needed, and I certainly did not call a newspaper a gaming magazine, you pathetic little liar.
then he ask for facts from other people, which people indisputedly provide, and then goes on to say that those facts are nothing more than figments of the imagination and are not actually factual at all (but what he says, without backup, is fact).

but such is danny. we'll see if his impending wedding works out, or if he chickens out like he did the last few times.
Once again, no one provided any facts at all, you childish masturbating monkey, you. Go put on your little show for boys you dont know again. You sad little whore. I was entirely correct in what I said.

I see you now have to make bullshit up about my wedding, you pathetic little shit. :lol: I have never "chickened-out" of anything in my life ever, especially not my wedding, but then all you have is these despicable lies because you are so sad and lonely with such a tragic life you have to make bullshit up about mine to make yourself feel better about your meaningless existence.
If you have to resort to coming onto my threads just to make infantile comments and lies (like always) then it just shows how much I have got under your skin. You are so comically desperate to try to pin something on me, you dont even realise what a cunt you make yourself look, you sycophantic little slimeball. :lol:

Still your tragic case makes me smile, and I am eternally grateful I will never be as sad as you.

Hi There, Am Pam

01-06-2007, 03:33 AM

Really, I could post some news articles about how well the Wii is doing vs. the PS3, but I don't see any point in it.

I did see point in pointing that out, for some reason.

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 04:49 AM

Really, I could post some news articles about how well the Wii is doing vs. the PS3, but I don't see any point in it.

I did see point in pointing that out, for some reason.

I could post many articles that contradict that, but as you say, there is no point.

Reginald I. Perrin

01-06-2007, 11:23 AM

Well, I've played a Wii now. I've tried my level best to like it, but it's just not happening for me at all, with the rather small exception of Wii Tennis. Aside from that I begrudgingly partly agree with Danny. It really does feel too much like a novelty item.

Evil Meanie

01-06-2007, 03:37 PM

Hi There, Am Pam

01-06-2007, 03:55 PM

I could post many articles that contradict that, but as you say, there is no point.

Post away, I'd be interested in reading them. Keep in mind though, older articles from the launch are kinda outdated now that the PS3 is readily available in the United States.

Reginald I. Perrin

01-06-2007, 04:33 PM

Aww, you didn't like Wii Boxing?

Not really - it just wouldn't work at all for me. Wii Bowling and Wii Golf are ok, but I really didn't like the Boxing or the Baseball.

Aside from WiiSports there's Twilight Princess, but I just can't get with that too. The controls stop me dead, and I'm still no closer to getting used to it - and it's a big shame 'cause I generally love the Zelda series. And with hardly anything on the horizon for an eternity (Seeing as I'm in a PAL territory - and boy, do Nintendo love screwing us) I'm thinking that the machine will probably end up on Ebay sooner rather than later.

Really, I shouldn't have got it at launch. It's just about always a big mistake.

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 04:51 PM

now that the PS3 is readily available in the United States.
No, it isn't. Sony still haven't got enough blue diodes. The value of the PS3 is still around $2,500, due it being the most desired console around.

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 04:53 PM

Really, I shouldn't have got it at launch. It's just about always a big mistake.

I have said this over and over.

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 05:01 PM

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/16/analyst-sony-to-win-big-in-long-run/

Hi There, Am Pam

01-06-2007, 05:09 PM

No, it isn't. Sony still haven't got enough blue diodes. The value of the PS3 is still around $2,500, due it being the most desired console around.

Uhh, no (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=2768596&page=1).

When I went to try and find a Wii, Target had 3 or 4 PS3s. They were still sitting there when I went back the next day. I asked the guy at "EB Games" if he had any Wiis, and literally, he said to me, "No, but I got a few PS3s sitting around. Nobody wants them".

Perhaps it's true in the U.K., I don't know, but the resale value of the PS3 has dropped significantly on E-bay (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/feature/feature-wii-vs-ps3-ebay-grey-market-comparison-225929.php). Hell, there's talk of people trading PS3s for Wiis (http://ps3center.net/story-151.html), some as an equal exchange.

Hi There, Am Pam

01-06-2007, 05:25 PM

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/16/analyst-sony-to-win-big-in-long-run/

Yeah, you could take a single projection, or you could take an average of the sales projections (http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/86070/Average_Sales_Projections_for_consoles_by_2007) and see that by the end of 2007, the PS3 is projected to be in last, Wii second, and X-box 360 in first.

Oh, and I notice that article is on the launch day of the US. A whole lot has changed since then, if you've read of number of articles since the launch of both systems. The only article I've read which has supported the idea of a PS3 domination was from a group called Research & Markets (http://www.portableplanet.co.uk/2007/01/03/report-playstation-3-will-overtake-wii-xbox-360/) which charges a $1,000 just to look at the report. I have a Firefox plug-in which allows people rate how trustworthy a site is (in keeping personal information, etc..) and it warned me that the site might be dangerous (the plug-in is called WOT, if you want to try it for yourself). There is absolutely no way to figure out how they came up with that number, so...

I'm not going as far as to say that the PS3 isn't any good, but they really fucked up the launch. They need to do damage control at this point. There's rumors of them offering a "family package" which doesn't include the Blu-ray drive. Of course, they're only rumors, but it's still not a good sign.

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 05:44 PM

Uhh, no (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=2768596&page=1).

When I went to try and find a Wii, Target had 3 or 4 PS3s. They were still sitting there when I went back the next day. I asked the guy at "EB Games" if he had any Wiis, and literally, he said to me, "No, but I got a few PS3s sitting around. Nobody wants them".

Perhaps it's true in the U.K., I don't know, but the resale value of the PS3 has dropped significantly on E-bay (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/feature/feature-wii-vs-ps3-ebay-grey-market-comparison-225929.php). Hell, there's talk of people trading PS3s for Wiis (http://ps3center.net/story-151.html), some as an equal exchange.
Uhhh, yes. This months Official Sony Playstation magazine has a quote from Sony HQ saying that they are on target to START mass production by the end of March 07. The console is just unavaliable until then. Fresh supplies will be shipped in a few months with the European launch. They say they understand that it will be a long, long time before supply can even get close to current demand, but as the PS3 is the most in-demand console around, it cannot be helped.

The sale of the PS3 remains way above it's RRP and is selling for around 5 times that of the Wii, which is not selling over it's RRP at all.. They just cannot get them sold quick enough, even at the much larger price due to its far greater superiority.

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 05:51 PM

Yeah, you could take a single projection, or you could take an average of the sales projections (http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/86070/Average_Sales_Projections_for_consoles_by_2007) and see that by the end of 2007, the PS3 is projected to be in last, Wii second, and X-box 360 in first.

Oh, and I notice that article is on the launch day of the US. A whole lot has changed since then, if you've read of number of articles since the launch of both systems. The only article I've read which has supported the idea of a PS3 domination was from a group called Research & Markets (http://www.portableplanet.co.uk/2007/01/03/report-playstation-3-will-overtake-wii-xbox-360/) which charges a $1,000 just to look at the report. I have a Firefox plug-in which allows people rate how trustworthy a site is (in keeping personal information, etc..) and it warned me that the site might be dangerous (the plug-in is called WOT, if you want to try it for yourself). There is absolutely no way to figure out how they came up with that number, so...

I'm not going as far as to say that the PS3 isn't any good, but they really fucked up the launch. They need to do damage control at this point. There's rumors of them offering a "family package" which doesn't include the Blu-ray drive. Of course, they're only rumors, but it's still not a good sign.

Yes you could take that average, but you would be an utter retard to do so, as the lack of avaliability of the PS3 will not be an issue during the crunch years, and as only fools buy early, the more intelligent gamers have not even been factored in. Besides, that is the end of 2007, which means absolutely fuck all.

They did not fuck up the launch in the slightest. This lack of supply has only helped increase the desire for their machine and things are looking exceptionally rosy indeed. I think the 20gb will be phased out, however. Everyone with a brain will want a 60gb PS3. Oh, and what exactly has changed since launch day? Nothing as I see it.

Hi There, Am Pam

01-06-2007, 05:57 PM

Uhhh, yes. This months Official Sony Playstation magazine has a quote from Sony HQ saying that they are on target to START mass production by the end of March 07. The console is just unavaliable until then. Fresh supplies will be shipped in a few months with the European launch. They say they understand that it will be a long, long time before supply can even get close to current demand, but as the PS3 is the most in-demand console around, it cannot be helped.

The sale of the PS3 remains way above it's RRP and is selling for around 5 times that of the Wii, which is not selling over it's RRP at all.. They just cannot get them sold quick enough, even at the much larger price due to its far greater superiority.

Dude, really. You're a fucking moron. You probably didn't read any of the articles I posted. I know what I'm talking about from experience of actually seeing unsold PS3s in the stores. The ABC news article is stating that there are unsold PS3s in stores, and that it's readily available in the United States. It doesn't matter what Sony is officially saying if there are plenty of unsold PS3s. Shut the fuck up already.

And if you're telling me that the Wii isn't selling over MSRP, you clearly have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Read the article about the E-bay gray market. You're flat out wrong. I mean, at this point, I get the feeling you just pull stuff out of your ass and ignore everything else.

Here, because you're too lazy and stupid to read for yourself:

"Three days after the system went on sale, Wii auction averages dipped to $384. Relatively low, but still $134 more than the retail price, and oddly close to the PS3's lowest which was $124 above retail. Straight monetary values don't mean as much as percentages, of course. Those two numbers represent a 20% profit margin on the PS3 and 53% on the Wii, so selling the latter on eBay remains a better deal overall.

Conclusion
Considering the small window that the PlayStation 3 auctions had to turn a truly amazing profit, prospectors would have been better off in the long run purchasing a couple of Wiis, which have maintained an average profit margin of 45-50% since preorders became available. Definitely not a windfall, but a much more financially sound investment in the long run. Unfortunately these launches weren't about being sound financially. They were about betting on the big bucks, and the majority of the PS3 prospectors out there played the tables and lost."

For someone who proclaims logic, you surly have none. Holy shit, sir. You're a fucking idiot.

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 06:10 PM

Dude, really. You're a fucking moron. You probably didn't read any of the articles I posted. I know what I'm talking about from experience of actually seeing unsold PS3s in the stores. The ABC news article is stating that there are unsold PS3s in stores, and that it's readily available in the United States. It doesn't matter what Sony is officially saying if there are plenty of unsold PS3s. Shut the fuck up already.

And if you're telling me that the Wii isn't selling over MSRP, you clearly have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Read the article about the E-bay gray market. You're flat out wrong. I mean, at this point, I get the feeling you just pull stuff out of your ass and ignore everything else.

Here, because you're too lazy and stupid to read for yourself:

"Three days after the system went on sale, Wii auction averages dipped to $384. Relatively low, but still $134 more than the retail price, and oddly close to the PS3's lowest which was $124 above retail. Straight monetary values don't mean as much as percentages, of course. Those two numbers represent a 20% profit margin on the PS3 and 53% on the Wii, so selling the latter on eBay remains a better deal overall.

Conclusion
Considering the small window that the PlayStation 3 auctions had to turn a truly amazing profit, prospectors would have been better off in the long run purchasing a couple of Wiis, which have maintained an average profit margin of 45-50% since preorders became available. Definitely not a windfall, but a much more financially sound investment in the long run. Unfortunately these launches weren't about being sound financially. They were about betting on the big bucks, and the majority of the PS3 prospectors out there played the tables and lost."

For someone who proclaims logic, you surly have none. Holy shit, sir. You're a fucking idiot.
Yeah, yeah. It is a sad sign you have to resort to insults. Well, when it is all you have.... You are just upset I don't buy your half-baked and irrational articles. I don't believe a word of what you say because it defies the logic. Why are there people waiting for 11 days just for a CHANCE to get a PS3? 600 people in Orlando trying to get 16 consoles. People being shot for them. Your claims and so-called evidence just does not add up. Demand for the PS3 has WAY outstripped that of the Wii. That is a simple fact.

Go check Ebay. The Wii is selling at roughly £200, whilst the PS3 is going for at least $1200-$1500, often more. There are not "plenty of unsold" PS3's. The sales figures show that all PS3's issued to the US have been sold. (The sales figures actually EXCEED the number of consoles shifted, but that is due to the need for consumers to import from Japan due to lack of supply in the US).

Now I realise you are in denial and cannot face the truth, (which is why posting articles which totally contradict yours is irrelevant), but that is the simple logic you appear to fail to grasp.

..and dont call me surly.

Hi There, Am Pam

01-06-2007, 06:21 PM

You are just upset I don't buy your half-baked and irrational articles. I don't believe a word of what you say because it defies the logic.

This is pretty much what I'm talking about. You ignore everything that doesn't fit with your ideology. I mean, I've personally seen the PS3s in stores. I know I'm not lying. And when I see news articles saying the same, I get the feeling that, hey, maybe the article is correct. But I guess they're half-baked and irrational.

Do you see what I'm saying here? This isn't even about consoles at this point. This is about your inability to recognize that there is information beyond what you believe is fact. I'm not even sure why I'm bothering, since it really doesn't have an impact on me.

Perhaps that's the bigger question here; why am I speaking to a brick wall and expecting results? I really don't care at this point. Believe what ever you want.

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 06:33 PM

This is pretty much what I'm talking about. You ignore everything that doesn't fit with your ideology. I mean, I've personally seen the PS3s in stores. I know I'm not lying. And when I see news articles saying the same, I get the feeling that, hey, maybe the article is correct. But I guess they're half-baked and irrational.

Do you see what I'm saying here? This isn't even about consoles at this point. This is about your inability to recognize that there is information beyond what you believe is fact. I'm not even sure why I'm bothering, since it really doesn't have an impact on me.

Perhaps that's the bigger question here; why am I speaking to a brick wall and expecting results? I really don't care at this point. Believe what ever you want.

Ok. I see your new tactic. Just accuse me of everything you are guilty of. If what you are saying is true, then how do you explain the sales figures and queues? Hypothetically, if you are saying the truth, they are more likely returns with faults or demo models, otherwise it would be illogical to believe you. Considering you are expecting me to believe something which contradicts the stats out there, and the proof that people are paying way over the odds for something just there in a store, that when 600 are after 16 machines and with the demand out-stripping supply by that HUGE amount, you expect that to be case??

Ok, I'm trying here - Maybe it is a sure sign that people really are utterly stupid. Hey, they are dumb enough to buy a console in it's first year, it is just about possible. I have seen nothing that suggests a change to the conventional wisdom. Just throwing me half-assed theories and stories about idiots just does not cut it, I'm afraid. I'm not that gullible.

For me to take you serioiusly, you need to explain the contradiction.

Reginald I. Perrin

01-06-2007, 06:51 PM

Go check Ebay. The Wii is selling at roughly £200, whilst the PS3 is going for at least $1200-$1500, often more. There are not "plenty of unsold" PS3's. The sales figures show that all PS3's issued to the US have been sold. (The sales figures actually EXCEED the number of consoles shifted, but that is due to the need for consumers to import from Japan due to lack of supply in the US).
.

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=Playstation+3&category0=&submitSearch=Search

I see no PS3's going for that amount. I'm seeing a shitload of unsold ones for half that price.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Playstation-3-Console-System-IN-HAND-Plus-Game_W0QQitemZ140070938410QQihZ004QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-Game-console_W0QQitemZ110075408413QQihZ001QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-60-GB_W0QQitemZ320068082349QQihZ011QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-Game-console_W0QQitemZ280066829650QQihZ018QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

That last one is particularly funny.

They aren't selling on Ebay for anywhere remotely close to $1500. People are trying to sell them for that amount, and failing. Look at some of them - they aren't even going for $600! People are getting substantially less than $600, maybe more than that if they're lucky or if games come with it.

You seem to have got the starting price of unsold auctions confused with actual winning bids, Danny.

Hi There, Am Pam

01-06-2007, 06:54 PM

Reginald I. Perrin

01-06-2007, 06:59 PM

Not to mention that those two sold for more than retail were bought by the same person. Who happens to have "private" feedback. I see no payment in those guy's future...

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 07:14 PM

Again, I don't know about the U.K., but I just did a search for "playstation 3" & completed auctions. Quite a few sold for less than retail. One 60 GB PS3 sold for $485. Now, it had $50 shipping, but that's still well below retail. Many didn't sell at all.

You might have to sign in to see them, but here are some links (there are quite a few more, but you get the idea):
http://cgi.ebay.com/sony-playstation-3-60-GB-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ200065785104QQihZ010QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-Game-console-PS3-60GB_W0QQitemZ250069663462QQihZ015QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-Game-console-PS3-60GB_W0QQitemZ250069663469QQihZ015QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Only two sold for more than retail (through buyitnow):
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-Game-console_W0QQitemZ270076663103QQihZ017QQcategoryZ147177QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-20gig-brand-new-never-taken-out-of-box_W0QQitemZ140071845454QQihZ004QQcategoryZ147177QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

If you require more proof than that, I don't know what else to say.
You still refuse to address the contradiction, but anyway....

Interesting. I stuck Playstation 3 in the buy and here are ALL of them from the first page. You may notice that ALL of them are way above the RRP already and still have the last minute bidding war to go. Yup, they are selling way over the odds.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/220V-Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-60GB-Premium-Console-HK-60G_W0QQitemZ140071639592QQihZ004QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PS3-SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-COD-CALL-07914021399-IN-UK-NOW_W0QQitemZ290068388235QQihZ019QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/220V-Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-60GB-Premium-Console-HK-60G_W0QQitemZ140071041670QQihZ004QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-3-Game-console-PS3-60-gig-BN-in-UK_W0QQitemZ250070472804QQihZ015QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sony-Playstation-3-20GB-Bundle-Pack-3-Games-1-Movie_W0QQitemZ220066134298QQihZ012QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-3-ps3-Game-console-UK-Seller_W0QQitemZ120072240276QQihZ002QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-3-PS3-60GB-console-100-ready-to-ship_W0QQitemZ160071022998QQihZ006QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

If you require more proof than that, I don't know what else to say.

Hi There, Am Pam

01-06-2007, 07:18 PM

Hi There, Am Pam

01-06-2007, 07:27 PM

Actually, now that I look at your links, you're showing auctions with "Buy it now", which haven't been bought yet. Not only that, but the first link is currently going for Approximately £414.40, and according to Wikipedia, the retail price is £425.

In fact, this link (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/220V-Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-60GB-Premium-Console-HK-60G_W0QQitemZ140071041670QQihZ004QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) shows that it is being offered as "Buy it now" under retail, and it still hasn't been bought. And the fact that there are 8 available pretty much puts the nail in the coffin.

Fab

01-06-2007, 07:28 PM

Seriously guys, Dan won't believe it even when the sales figures for 2007 come out.

Reginald I. Perrin

01-06-2007, 07:28 PM

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 07:30 PM

Again, you don't understand that I'm talking about the US, not the U.K.. It's quite possible that the U.K. is still seeing shortages, thus the demand is higher. But over here, they're readily available in stores.

Again, you fail to notice key elements. Most prices are in $'s. They are American sellers, like ya know, on American ebay. There are no shortages here. There are no nothing here. Readily avaliable in stores, yet people cant get hold of them? I still dont get it.

Fab

01-06-2007, 07:33 PM

They are American sellers, like ya know, on American ebay.Danny, I just checked every eBay link you posted and they all list their location as in the UK.

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 07:34 PM

http://video-games.search.ebay.com/playstation-3_Systems_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR8QQsacatZ62054QQsubmitsearchZSearch

same story over on ebay.com too. Selling way over the odds.

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 07:35 PM

Danny, I just checked every eBay link you posted and they all list their location as in the UK.

Again, you fail to notice key elements. Most prices are in $'s.
..and where do you think they got it from?

Exactly.

Reginald I. Perrin

01-06-2007, 07:36 PM

Again, you fail to notice key elements. Most prices are in $'s. They are American sellers, like ya know, on American ebay. There are no shortages here. There are no nothing here. Readily avaliable in stores, yet people cant get hold of them? I still dont get it.

Since when were Nottingham, Peterborough, Worthing etc. American cities? I guess I missed the news item that officially declared us to be the 51st state.

Just give up.

Reginald I. Perrin

01-06-2007, 07:38 PM

..and where do you think they got it from?

Exactly.

These-are-import-consoles-only-to-be-bought-by-the-small-minority-who-
won't-wait-until-March-and-therefore-these-sales-mean-absolutely-nothing-to-
actual-sales-you-stupid-fucking-idiot.

You live in a dream world. Besides which, half of the links you posted - the consoles aren't even selling!

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 07:39 PM

The Playstation 3 isn't even fucking out in the U.K. Those results from Ebay UK are absolute bollocks as a result, and mean nothing. It's a bunch of hardcore guys buying up Import PS3's - that's all. That means nothing to actual sales, seeing as it makes up an incredibly small percentage of the market. The majority of people are, y'know, waiting until March.

EDIT: Oh dear Danny, you could have at least picked auctions that, y'know, were actually fucking WON and weren't "reserves not met", unsold buy it nows and what not. Pathetic.

You are a total clueless idiot. So addressing and proving the point entirely is absolute bollocks? :lol: Oh Dear. It shows how there are loads selling for way more than RRP and the fact they have not even been sold shows that will go FOR EVEN MORE! Thus, providing more evidence for my claims. Yeah, proof is pathetic. Dickhead :rolleyes:

Fab

01-06-2007, 07:40 PM

..and where do you think they got it from?

Exactly.
What!? Of course they got it from America, they're not available here, that's the point!

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 07:43 PM

Since when were Nottingham, Peterborough, Worthing etc. American cities? I guess I missed the news item that officially declared us to be the 51st state.

Just give up.
Who said they were American cities, you retard? You need some serious help.
These-are-import-consoles-only-to-be-bought-by-the-small-minority-who-
won't-wait-until-March-and-therefore-these-sales-mean-absolutely-nothing-to-
actual-sales-you-stupid-fucking-idiot.

You live in a dream world. Besides which, half of the links you posted - the consoles aren't even selling!
A small minority that buys them all? Dont be so fucking stupid. Now you make the laughably pathetic claim that sales to these people are not actual sales??? :lol: Yeah, it is just a figment of our imaginations!

Oh, and they are ALL selling. I already checked that. ...and that was just the first few, they are tons and tons more selling way over the odds.

Looks like you need to get some eyes as well as a brain.

Reginald I. Perrin

01-06-2007, 07:46 PM

You are a total clueless idiot. So addressing and proving the point entirely is absolute bollocks? :lol: Oh Dear. It shows how there are loads selling for way more than RRP and the fact they have not even been sold shows that will go FOR EVEN MORE! Thus, providing more evidence for my claims. Yeah, proof is pathetic. Dickhead :rolleyes:

Loads? Hmm...let's play "count the amount of Playstation 3's available on Ebay's first 3 pages".

Let's see...ah yes, I have it - 20. 20 PS3's. Proving my point that this is a small amount of people buying PS3's to sell to gamers who like NTSC and are willing to pay for it at any price.

20 PS3's over 3 pages. Fuck-all compared to the amount sold on Ebay US. Fuck-all compared to the amount of Wiis. Fuck-all compared to anything.

And that's ignoring the probability that a fair few of these auctions might not necessarily be legitimate.

Just give up, Danny.

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 07:46 PM

What!? Of course they got it from America, they're not available here, that's the point!

Exactly.

You still struggling with this?

Hi There, Am Pam

01-06-2007, 07:48 PM

It shows how there are loads selling for way more than RRP and the fact they have not even been sold shows that will go FOR EVEN MORE!

See, before I figured you just didn't see facts that didn't concur with your ideology. Now I see you don't even know how E-bay works.

You posted links to "Buy-it-now" auctions, which means anyone could instantly buy it, and pay the price they're asking for. Considering that a few of them are below or around retail, and that they haven't been bought, and that there are 8 available, that means that people aren't even paying retail for them.

I can not believe you need that explained to you. And you probably still won't get it.

Fab

01-06-2007, 07:50 PM

You still struggling with this?

So what exactly is your point? That they're not available here? Because I can tell you, I had noticed that myself.

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 07:50 PM

Loads? Hmm...let's play "count the amount of Playstation 3's available on Ebay's first 3 pages".

Let's see...ah yes, I have it - 20. 20 PS3's. Proving my point that this is a small amount of people buying PS3's to sell to gamers who like NTSC and are willing to pay for it at any price.

20 PS3's over 3 pages. Fuck-all compared to the amount sold on Ebay US. Fuck-all compared to the amount of Wiis. Fuck-all compared to anything.

And that's ignoring the probability that a fair few of these auctions might not necessarily be legitimate.

Just give up, Danny.
There is that many? On just 3 pages? Shit there is more than I thought. Thanks for proving my point. There are loads of them.

Oh and it is not NTSC. Playstation 3's are universal. US and Japanese games will play on PAL systems straight away. I wouldnt expect an ignoramous like you to know such common knowledge.

Oh right, its "illegitimate auction" time is it? You have got that desperate?

Just give up? Why? Am I hurting you so bad? :cry:

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 07:53 PM

See, before I figured you just didn't see facts that didn't concur with your ideology. Now I see you don't even know how E-bay works.

You posted links to "Buy-it-now" auctions, which means anyone could instantly buy it, and pay the price they're asking for. Considering that a few of them are below or around retail, and that they haven't been bought, and that there are 8 available, that means that people aren't even paying retail for them.

I can not believe you need that explained to you. And you probably still won't get it.
Except it appears you dont know how ebay works. Some have buy it now, some are auctions (that is where people bid on the item on the screen), and believe it or not, some have both! Seriously! They can do that on ebay! ..and the auctions are going way over RRP. People are buying them at huge prices. Point proved.

Your confusion is quite remarkable.
So what exactly is your point? That they're not available here? Because I can tell you, I had noticed that myself.
You made the point, not me. You really need me to tell you what your point was? :O

Reginald I. Perrin

01-06-2007, 07:58 PM

There is that many? On just 3 pages? Shit there is more than I thought. Thanks for proving my point. There are loads of them.

Oh and it is not NTSC. Playstation 3's are universal. US and Japanese games will play on PAL systems straight away. I wouldnt expect an ignoramous like you to know such common knowledge.

Oh right, its "illegitimate auction" time is it? You have got that desperate?

Just give up? Why? Am I hurting you so bad? :cry:

You consider 20 to be "loads" (or, in actual fact, 80 on the whole 16 pages)? As proof of the PS3's dominance? Of course you would, but I don't think it really stands up - that and not all of those are going to sell. And this is compared to all of the PS3's on the American page, and all those that aren't selling either.

The second paragraph: You excel yourself, you really do. Any regular moron would know what I meant - people who prefer NTSC RESOLUTION because they hate having to play PAL games with their slower speeds and borders.

Desperate? I don't see that as being desperate, not when this argument is a total joke. A one-sided joke, and before I allow you to get in a cheap riposte - it's one sided every single way except yours. You live in a Dream World.

stevenrwolfe

01-06-2007, 08:04 PM

Why are we still talking about this? Danny's stubborn and ignorant, we all see it, so shut the fuck up and stop feeding the troll. Why do we want a tool like this to agree with us anyway?

Hi There, Am Pam

01-06-2007, 08:04 PM

Danny, there is no way of explaining to you that the auctions your provided only disprove your point. You don't understand it, and it's pretty obvious.

Again, the first link your provided had the bid going for less than retail. It says "£414.40", and in the U.K., that model of PS3 is going for £425.

The auctions that you provided that are actually "going way over RRP" have no bidders.

How are you not grasping this? You have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not even sure I saw an auction which had already sold & was over retail, out of the ones your provided. And no, Danny, Buy it now prices don't count if nobody has bought them.

Hi There, Am Pam

01-06-2007, 08:06 PM

Why are we still talking about this? Danny's stubborn and ignorant, we all see it, so shut the fuck up and stop feeding the troll. Why do we want a tool like this to agree with us anyway?

I think at this point, it's just really amusing to see someone back their argument up with links that disprove what they're saying. And then, once it's explained to them why, they still grasp at straws without any understanding.

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 08:07 PM

You consider 20 to be "loads" (or, in actual fact, 80 on the whole 16 pages)? As proof of the PS3's dominance? Of course you would, but I don't think it really stands up - that and not all of those are going to sell. And this is compared to all of the PS3's on the American page, and all those that aren't selling either.

The second paragraph: You excel yourself, you really do. Any regular moron would know what I meant - people who prefer NTSC RESOLUTION because they hate having to play PAL games with their slower speeds and borders.

Desperate? I don't see that as being desperate, not when this argument is a total joke. A one-sided joke, and before I allow you to get in a cheap riposte - it's one sided every single way except yours. You live in a Dream World.
No, 20 is not loads. 80 is a huge amount for any one time with more and more coming in. Not to mention how many have already been sold. So it would hundreds. Loads indeed. What proof of dominance are you on about, my little court jester? Oh, and they are selling. Got borrow some eyes.

The second paragraph: Amusing attempt to worm out of your error. I enjoyed that, but the resolution would come from the TV's not the PS3's, and given that they are consoles designed for HDTV's, which run on 6ohz anyway, an entirely irrelevant point of yours. But seriously, nice try.

Yeah, yeah. Lies, bullshit, lies, bullshit. I know your shtick. I would call having to rely on claiming illegitimate auctions to discredit the sound evidence as pretty darn desperate, yeah.

Now go have fun with the faeries and unicorns.

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 08:14 PM

Why are we still talking about this? Danny's stubborn and ignorant, we all see it, so shut the fuck up and stop feeding the troll. Why do we want a tool like this to agree with us anyway?
Yeah, why I want to agree with idiots who have not got a clue what they are on about. Im not a troll, you idiot. I guess you dont even know what it means. Tragic :lol:
Danny, there is no way of explaining to you that the auctions your provided only disprove your point. You don't understand it, and it's pretty obvious.

Again, the first link your provided had the bid going for less than retail. It says "£414.40", and in the U.K., that model of PS3 is going for £425.

The auctions that you provided that are actually "going way over RRP" have no bidders.

How are you not grasping this? You have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not even sure I saw an auction which had already sold & was over retail, out of the ones your provided. And no, Danny, Buy it now prices don't count if nobody has bought them.
Wrong, wrong and wrong. Where to start? First, the consoles are not going for 425, they are not going for anything. I'm getting sick of having to repeat myself for you retarded kids...THEY ARE NOT OUT HERE. ALL the auctions had bidders. Cannot you not use the internet? Have you ended up on the kiddies toy store again? :rolleyes: They ALL have bidders and most are already over RRP already! Thus, they entirely PROVE my point. Therefore DO NOT DISPROVE it. I'm sorry this simple logic is a step to far for you, but it is really quite essential. That makes this...
I think at this point, it's just really amusing to see someone back their argument up with links that disprove what they're saying. And then, once it's explained to them why, they still grasp at straws without any understanding.
...look pretty damn stupid now, doesnt it?

Clueless dumbfucks! AAARGH!

Reginald I. Perrin

01-06-2007, 08:16 PM

No, 20 is not loads. 80 is a huge amount for any one time with more and more coming in. Not to mention how many have already been sold. So it would hundreds. Loads indeed. What proof of dominance are you on about, my little court jester? Oh, and they are selling. Got borrow some eyes.

Yes, a huge amount of PS3's. Shame they aren't actually being sold! For anything that actually made the act of buying a PS3 from America and selling it on Ebay UK worth the bother anyway.

I love hearing you talk about sound evidence - people selling PS3's on Ebay UK before the system's out is absolutely sound evidence. People never rip off each other on Ebay, ever - and absolutely never have with the alleged selling of launch consoles. It's not desperate to assume that it's happening when it's always happened over the years.

stevenrwolfe

01-06-2007, 08:19 PM

Whatever. Peace. Go argue with yourself, cuz this is pointless, and I encourage the rest of you to just let it go.

Send this thread to hell where it belongs.

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 08:20 PM

Yes, a huge amount of PS3's. Shame they aren't actually being sold! For anything that actually made the act of buying a PS3 from America and selling it on Ebay UK worth the bother anyway.

I love hearing you talk about sound evidence - people selling PS3's on Ebay UK before the system's out is absolutely sound evidence. People never rip off each other on Ebay, ever - and absolutely never have with the alleged selling of launch consoles. It's not desperate to assume that it's happening when it's always happened over the years.

A shame for you that they are selling.

Yeah, because they ALL must be illegitimate, mustn't they? I mean it is impossible for them to be genuine. It is impossible to get them imported, and the fact they will play fine over here means people wont be interested will they? :rolleyes:

Yeah, pretty desperate.

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 08:24 PM

Send this thread to hell where it belongs.

Why? Because you cant handle it? Does it make you cry, little girl :cry:?

This has just turned into a thread where a load of ignorant fucks are talking shit, trying to get a piece of me and failing miserably. It is great fun.

Reginald I. Perrin

01-06-2007, 08:27 PM

Yeah, why I want to agree with idiots who have not got a clue what they are on about. Im not a troll, you idiot. I guess you dont even know what it means. Tragic :lol:

Wrong, wrong and wrong. Where to start? First, the consoles are not going for 425, they are not going for anything. I'm getting sick of having to repeat myself for you retarded kids...THEY ARE NOT OUT HERE. ALL the auctions had bidders. Cannot you not use the internet? Have you ended up on the kiddies toy store again? :rolleyes: They ALL have bidders and most are already over RRP already! Thus, they entirely PROVE my point. Therefore DO NOT DISPROVE it. I'm sorry this simple logic is a step to far for you, but it is really quite essential. That makes this...

Oh my.

Here we go:

Auction 1 - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/220V-Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-60GB-Premium-Console-HK-60G_W0QQitemZ140071639592QQihZ004QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Currently at £414. When the PS3 comes out here, it will be at £425. Can't you get that through your thick skull?

Auction 2 -
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PS3-SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-COD-CALL-07914021399-IN-UK-NOW_W0QQitemZ290068388235QQihZ019QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

He's had 5 offers. The item is as yet unsold - it hardly proves your point.

Auction 3 -
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/220V-Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-60GB-Premium-Console-HK-60G_W0QQitemZ140071041670QQihZ004QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This is a real winner - these PS3's are selling at just over £400. app. £25 under what the price of a PS3 will be when it comes out over here. They should be flying out of there! And yet there's still 8 available.

Auction 4 -
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-3-Game-console-PS3-60-gig-BN-in-UK_W0QQitemZ250070472804QQihZ015QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
This hasn't made it over the RRP yet either. It's just about there - but it's hardly a massive profit. None of these are - on this one, the reserve hasn't been met.

Auction 5 -
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sony-Playstation-3-20GB-Bundle-Pack-3-Games-1-Movie_W0QQitemZ220066134298QQihZ012QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
£367 so far. For a PS3 with 3 games and a Blu-Ray movie? That's pretty poor.

Auction 6 -
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-3-ps3-Game-console-UK-Seller_W0QQitemZ120072240276QQihZ002QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
No bids. Presumably someone contacted the guy and bought it privately, although it hardly counts seeing as we have no idea how much it was bought for.

Auction 7 -
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-3-PS3-60GB-console-100-ready-to-ship_W0QQitemZ160071022998QQihZ006QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
This could be the only one of your auctions that work. And yet because of the reserve it may still go unsold - plus it's only at £430 so far and that's with 2 games. It's 1 of 2 out of about 7 that people have really gone for.

Pretty much all of your auction examples are completely flawed.

Hi There, Am Pam

01-06-2007, 08:30 PM

First, the consoles are not going for 425, they are not going for anything. I'm getting sick of having to repeat myself for you retarded kids...THEY ARE NOT OUT HERE.

That's not really the point. The point is that the projected retail price is 425, and they're not even selling at that. End of argument.

Narcissistic Nihilist

01-06-2007, 08:36 PM

Oh my.

Here we go:

Auction 1 - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/220V-Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-60GB-Premium-Console-HK-60G_W0QQitemZ140071639592QQihZ004QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Currently at £414. When the PS3 comes out here, it will be at £425. Can't you get that through your thick skull?

Auction 2 -
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PS3-SONY-PLAYSTATION-3-COD-CALL-07914021399-IN-UK-NOW_W0QQitemZ290068388235QQihZ019QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

He's had 5 offers. The item is as yet unsold - it hardly proves your point.

Auction 3 -
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/220V-Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-60GB-Premium-Console-HK-60G_W0QQitemZ140071041670QQihZ004QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This is a real winner - these PS3's are selling at just over £400. app. £25 under what the price of a PS3 will be when it comes out over here. They should be flying out of there! And yet there's still 8 available.

Auction 4 -
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-3-Game-console-PS3-60-gig-BN-in-UK_W0QQitemZ250070472804QQihZ015QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
This hasn't made it over the RRP yet either. It's just about there - but it's hardly a massive profit. None of these are - on this one, t