I'm Such a Dork

[Anjy]

So, I've had a folder full of stuff since um, Oct. 03' of Elliott related docs and stuff. It is just of everything I've kept about him. It includes:

*Elliott's poems
*Elliott's posts on Sweet Addy
*The detective's emails who was (supposedly) on Elliott's case and the "evidence" surrounding the mystery. (I put this in quotations because who knows what was real at all during that time).
*"Caroline's" posts about Elliott and the studio mystery.
*A beautiful eulogy that someone wrote for him.
*Elliott quotes.
*All of Ashley's letters to me (and Candy) during the benefit planning.
*"Nadine's" wild and out there posts.
*"Saydela's" posts.
*Emails and posts from people saying they were friends of Elliott.

Yep, I am a first class dork. :darn:

[trucker's atlas]

oh wow, i remember nadine and saydela... i forget such things until i get reminded, and then i wonder... how could i forget that? :lol:

[fake concerns]

why did i miss all this stuff :darn:

[solveig]

ah, salEf & nadine...
should never have
said my last post

[Anjy]

ah, salEf & nadine...
should never have
said my last post

Yup, the very same.

Your last post? In an old thread? I don't remember it I don't think.

[solveig]

:evil:
that's nadine talking
i can still remember
it very clearly
what she said

[Anjy]

Oh yeah, heheh. I remember. And each subsequent post would be worse than the last. :darn:

[meepmeep]

i remember that Sal guy. i just saw him & his band in a magazine the other day. nutty guy!

[solveig]

who really needed
help, nadine?
i have always wondered

[Anjy]

who really needed
help, nadine?
i have always wondered

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Anjy]

i remember that Sal guy. i just saw him & his band in a magazine the other day. nutty guy!

Really?! No way! He claimed he was psychic!

[solveig]

first time i realized
how fierce addy could be

[meepmeep]

Really?! No way! He claimed he was psychic!
look at the latest issue of the big takeover, electric frankenstein write up.

[Anjy]

I remember looking up Electric Frankenstein back when he first started posting/emailing people. Funny.

[Dead Pilot]

Hey anjy, that's awesome! Any chance you could post Elliott's posts, that is, if there are any others apart from the ones in the "I kiss goodnight..." thread?

That would be great, if you had the time! :)

[Thrawn2222]

Actually, I'm rather interested in the post's about the "studio mystery" any chance that you could share those as well? :D Pretty please?! :love:

[fake concerns]

I second Thrawn and Idiot Kid's comments... please? :crazy:

[Walker]

i want it all :)

[Anjy]

Idiot Kid...I think "I Kissed Goodbye..." was the only one that I had. I'll have to look.

I realized last night that by posting that I had those other files, it would seem like a 'tease' to not post them, and I truly did not mean to do that. I just think some of it would be in poor taste to repost on here. Sorry guys. :-o

[JacksonAlbracht]

It'd be nice if someone could link this "I Kissed Goodbye.."

[llaurens]

It'd be nice if someone could link this "I Kissed Goodbye.."
it's still there!
http://www.blamonet.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33739&highlight=howling+beast

[llaurens]

and this!! :cry:

http://web.archive.org/web/20011230194924/www.blamonet.com/2/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=000505

[dr benway]

I mean no disrespect to anyone, but if someone could answer a question for me, whether by post or pm, I would greatly appreciate it. I really want to know the status of the investigation into Elliott's death. Is the case still open, or have they reached a conclusion and closed it? Any info other than what was published in Spin or Blender would be greatly appreciated.. I get a knot in my stomach when I think about the reasons the coronor had for not calling it a suicide. Is it officially undetermined?
Again, I'm not meaning to upset anyone or offend or anything like that. I'm just a huge fan w/ a lot of unanswered questions that really bother me . . .

[ParentheticalThought]

I mean no disrespect to anyone, but if someone could answer a question for me, whether by post or pm, I would greatly appreciate it. I really want to know the status of the investigation into Elliott's death. Is the case still open, or have they reached a conclusion and closed it? Any info other than what was published in Spin or Blender would be greatly appreciated.. I get a knot in my stomach when I think about the reasons the coronor had for not calling it a suicide. Is it officially undetermined?
Again, I'm not meaning to upset anyone or offend or anything like that. I'm just a huge fan w/ a lot of unanswered questions that really bother me . . .

The case is still open and probably always will be, unless new information comes to light. The police indicated that there wasn't enough evidence either way to make a determination.

[llaurens]

I mean no disrespect to anyone, but if someone could answer a question for me, whether by post or pm, I would greatly appreciate it. I really want to know the status of the investigation into Elliott's death. Is the case still open, or have they reached a conclusion and closed it? Any info other than what was published in Spin or Blender would be greatly appreciated.. I get a knot in my stomach when I think about the reasons the coronor had for not calling it a suicide. Is it officially undetermined?
Again, I'm not meaning to upset anyone or offend or anything like that. I'm just a huge fan w/ a lot of unanswered questions that really bother me . . .

I understand I feel the same...
As ParentheticalThought has just said, the case is still open and no other information has been made available to my knowledge :(

[meepmeep]

and this!! :cry:

http://web.archive.org/web/20011230194924/www.blamonet.com/2/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=000505

wow

a lot of old-school poster thar too...

[llaurens]

wow

a lot of old-school poster thar too...

oh yeah and and you can even see the original page, but not all threads have been archived:
http://web.archive.org/web/20011219042806/www.blamonet.com/2/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum&f=8

[sombre winds]

So, I've had a folder full of stuff since um, Oct. 03' of Elliott related docs and stuff. It is just of everything I've kept about him. It includes:

*Elliott's poems
*Elliott's posts on Sweet Addy
*The detective's emails who was (supposedly) on Elliott's case and the "evidence" surrounding the mystery. (I put this in quotations because who knows what was real at all during that time).
*"Caroline's" posts about Elliott and the studio mystery.
*A beautiful eulogy that someone wrote for him.
*Elliott quotes.
*All of Ashley's letters to me (and Candy) during the benefit planning.
*"Nadine's" wild and out there posts.
*"Saydela's" posts.
*Emails and posts from people saying they were friends of Elliott.

Yep, I am a first class dork. :darn:


And are you staying a dork or shredding your folder?

The detective who was working on his case was named- someone contacted LAPD to get the name of the detective assigned.

I remember Saif- odd guy. He insisted he was a martial arts expert and was going to have a friend in the NY police force investigate. I never could figure out why he did all that.

[Anjy]

And are you staying a dork or shredding your folder?

Nah, I've kept everything this long, I might as well just keep it. No real reason to delete anything.

[candylion]

i am a dork too, anjy! :org:

i have so many folders of elliott stuff from that time... i didn't keep a lot of the posts though... but i remember all the stuff you listed... especially the studio mystery and that caroline woman... strange stuff...

[Anjy]

i am a dork too, anjy! :org:

i have so many folders of elliott stuff from that time... i didn't keep a lot of the posts though... but i remember all the stuff you listed... especially the studio mystery and that caroline woman... strange stuff...

Yay! We can be dorks together. :D :cry:

[llaurens]

And are you staying a dork or shredding your folder?

The detective who was working on his case was named- someone contacted LAPD to get the name of the detective assigned.

I remember Saif- odd guy. He insisted he was a martial arts expert and was going to have a friend in the NY police force investigate. I never could figure out why he did all that.

The detective name is James King, someone gave his phone number on the board. Remember? it was back in 2004 when there was a post-it note taped on the wall with the name and the address of someone and "it is a murder" written on it. I called the detective (I don't remember if I spoke to him or one of his colleagues) because I wanted him to be aware of that note. He was not even aware of the existence of the wall on sunset!
A few days/weeks after, the post-it note was still there, I don't know if the LAPD even checked it out. It is gone now but someone has written the same thing on a small corner of the wall. It may be a stupid joke but it's such a strange story. :scared:

[sombre winds]

The detective name is James King, someone gave his phone number on the board. Remember? it was back in 2004 when there was a post-it note taped on the wall with the name and the address of someone and "it is a murder" written on it. I called the detective (I don't remember if I spoke to him or one of his colleagues) because I wanted him to be aware of that note. He was not even aware of the existence of the wall on sunset!
A few days/weeks after, the post-it note was still there, I don't know if the LAPD even checked it out. It is gone now but someone has written the same thing on a small corner of the wall. It may be a stupid joke but it's such a strange story. :scared:

I don't think he was very interested in investigating anything. Nor were the LAPD. But that's ancient history.

I still sometimes wonder what Saif was after. He has his own music career to deal with - another permanent mystery.

[llaurens]

I don't think he was very interested in investigating anything. Nor were the LAPD. But that's ancient history.

I still sometimes wonder what Saif was after. He has his own music career to deal with - another permanent mystery.

There are so many mysteries beside that guy... I still don't understand what were the intentions of these two women (Nadine and Caroline the studio owner).

I may be naive but I don't understand either why the detective and the police were not interested in investigating... that's their job! :darn:

[ParentheticalThought]

I may be naive but I don't understand either why the detective and the police were not interested in investigating... that's their job! :darn:

Because there are a bazillion murders in LA every year and the death of a not-very-famous (compared to some in LA) musician who had wasted himself, used his wealth support the LA drug trade (not a popular move with cops) and probably committed suicide (thus making the search for a murderer a wild goose chase for busy detectives) was not high on their list. And now that the case is thoroughly cold, really, why bother?

[llaurens]

Because there are a bazillion murders in LA every year and the death of a not-very-famous (compared to some in LA) musician who had wasted himself, used his wealth support the LA drug trade (not a popular move with cops) and probably committed suicide (thus making the search for a murderer a wild goose chase for busy detectives) was not high on their list. And now that the case is thoroughly cold, really, why bother?

I know that LA has a bad reputation, but I live there and it is not that bad! According to the statistics I read, there were 518 murders in Los Angeles in 2004. I admit it seems a lot but it's a huge city, and it really depends on where you live. Los Feliz-Silver Lake is a safe neighborhood.
Regarding the suicides, there are not too many unresolved cases. There was an article in the LA weekly about the LA coroner office not too long ago, and Elliott's case was mentioned among the few cases that are not resolved:

"Just as police detectives pursue the motives of homicide suspects, Campbell and his staff serve as suicide detectives, reconstructing not only the cause of death but uncovering the decedent’s motives by performing psychological autopsies along with physical ones. These preliminary judgments often help determine whether law enforcement will investigate a suspicious death, and provide some closure to the surviving loved ones. In some cases, however, as with singer-songwriter Elliott Smith’s 2003 death, the results are inconclusive."

"“Nine to ten thousand come into our facility, and maybe a dozen will be undetermined,” says Campbell. “It isn’t that high, unless you’re a family member wanting to know what happened.”"
http://www.laweekly.com/features/682/coroner-to-the-suicides/

a dozen! that's not a lot!

[sombre winds]

There are so many mysteries beside that guy... I still don't understand what were the intentions of these two women (Nadine and Caroline the studio owner).

I may be naive but I don't understand either why the detective and the police were not interested in investigating... that's their job! :darn:

I don't understand Nadine- but it seemed like Caroline was truly disturbed by her experience.

[sombre winds]

Because there are a bazillion murders in LA every year and the death of a not-very-famous (compared to some in LA) musician who had wasted himself, used his wealth support the LA drug trade (not a popular move with cops) and probably committed suicide (thus making the search for a murderer a wild goose chase for busy detectives) was not high on their list. And now that the case is thoroughly cold, really, why bother?

I don't think that one's drug habits mean that one doesn't have a right to a murder investigation. The coroner is the one who decides whether there's enough reason for the police to pursue a murder investigation. It seems to me that the police failed to check the place where Elliott was when stabbed. They ended up with nothing to investigate because they didn't treat that place as a crime scene and then it was too late. If there was anything but a suicide they blew the opportunity to investigate. And if it was a suicide, they blew the ability to prove that as well.

[llaurens]

I don't understand Nadine- but it seemed like Caroline was truly disturbed by her experience.

yes she was disturbed by what she had witnessed, but why posting on a fan board rather than going to the police? if it was that disturbing that was the logical thing to do. may be she did talk to the police, but I doubt.

[ParentheticalThought]

I don't think that one's drug habits mean that one doesn't have a right to a murder investigation. The coroner is the one who decides whether there's enough reason for the police to pursue a murder investigation. It seems to me that the police failed to check the place where Elliott was when stabbed. They ended up with nothing to investigate because they didn't treat that place as a crime scene and then it was too late. If there was anything but a suicide they blew the opportunity to investigate. And if it was a suicide, they blew the ability to prove that as well.

I didn't mean to imply that the police would let an investigation drop because the deceased had been involved with drugs (although now that I reread myself I did make it sound that way). But the police are like everyone else who works - they prioritize what they're going to work on and how much work they're going to do on each project. I don't have any experience with the LAPD but I do have some with the police in Boston. The number of things that get ruined, dropped, forgotten, shunted to the side and lost is depressing. In 99.9% of cases it's not malicious (as far as I can tell), but it happens because you've got all these cases to solve and well, the ones that are politically, socially, emotionally, less important or intreguing, and that perhaps you know you or your colleagues already screwed up so you'll never figure them out, don't get your best effort. I was being rather snide about it when I wrote before.

edit: I just looked at some Boston Globe articles. Boston had 75 murders in 2005 against a population of about 570,000 - about the same murder rate as LA - but between Jan. and Aug. of that year, only 35% of murders were solved. In 2004 only 28% of murders were solved for the whole year. So we have a little problem in Boston at the moment, but I still stand by what I say about prioritizing. I think the LAPD stupidly trashed the murder scene, it was a tough case anyway, and they turned their attentions elsewhere. It's not like they had a meeting about it, but they weren't going to waste their time on the impossible when they could clear two other murders instead.

[sombre winds]

I've heard that LAPD has a high solve rate because they focus on closing cases rather than getting accurate information. That may be simply a rumor. But the police definitely wanted Elliott's case closed but were unable to do that because of the coroner's report.

[Anjy]

yes she was disturbed by what she had witnessed, but why posting on a fan board rather than going to the police? if it was that disturbing that was the logical thing to do. may be she did talk to the police, but I doubt.

She said she talked to Elliott's lawyer and landlord (of the studio)...but that nothing ever came of it.

[llaurens]

She said she talked to Elliott's lawyer and landlord (of the studio)...but that nothing ever came of it.
Thanks! I did not remember that, I think I have to read her posts again, I saved them somewhere...

[Anjy]

Thanks! I did not remember that, I think I have to read her posts again, I saved them somewhere...

Yeah, I've got it too if you needed it.

[llaurens]

Yeah, I've got it too if you needed it.
Thanks again but I found Caroline's posts and read them again tonight.
I had almost forgotten how disturbing all this was...