Political Map

[Nak Nak]

http://www.politopia.com/quiz_index.php3

I dislike how it assumes that one is American, but whatever.
It placed me middle west.

[Leela]

Dead center

[Squirrel]

South West

You advocate a large degree of personal freedom and a large degree of government control over the economy. Your neighbors include such folks as Jesse Jackson, Ralph Nader, Hillary Clinton, and Zack de la Rocha of Rage Against the Machine, and may refer to themselves as "liberals," "left-wing liberals," "civil libertarians," "democratic socialists," "egalitarians," or "anarcho-socialists."

[Kinbote]

You would feel most at home in the Northwest region. You advocate a large degree of economic and personal freedom. Your neighbors include folks like Ayn Rand, Jesse Ventura, Milton Friedman, and Drew Carey, and may refer to themselves as "classical liberals," "libertarians," "market liberals," "old whigs," "objectivists," "propertarians," "agorists," or "anarcho-capitalist."

[Six Ways]

Your neighbors include folks like Ayn Rand

Ha! YUo ams t3h sucK!

Seriously though, economic freedom? Do you know what you're supporting there?

[Six Ways]

I be the southwest type. I expected as much.

[Kinbote]

Ha! YUo ams t3h sucK!

Seriously though, economic freedom? Do you know what you're supporting there?

What? Prosperity? A higher standard of living? Sorry for not being a pinko.

[Herr Lipp]

who gives a shit?! It told me I was centrist even when I was well harsh on the exam! Meh I want those 3 minutes of my life back :cry:

p.s. they didnt have my "Nationalist" selection on the "describe yourself" bit.

[El Loto]

It placed me in the South. I'm hovering around Jesse Jackson and FDR.

[Herr Lipp]

I can just picture you dragging a 'nigga' thru a cornfield yee-hawing

[El Loto]

I can just picture you dragging a 'nigga' thru a cornfield yee-hawing


Not that kind of south Fraser!!!!! Me and Jesse J gonna pop a cap in yo ass bitch.

[Herr Lipp]

I'd like to go to Atlanta, New Orleans etc but to be quite honest, large numbers of black people scare me! Good job I'm banned from flying there eh?

[El Loto]

Will the ban ever be lifted? I'd love to go back to Boston.

[Herr Lipp]

Yeah the nerdy yank at the embassy told me to try again in 5 years. But because of all the fucking hassle I had to go through to be told 'No', America ranks way, way down on my wishlist for visiting. I dont wanna give 'em my money either heh, how petty.

New England eh? There's a sensible name for ya. But Wyoming? Wichita? Manhattan? what were they on drugs or something?! :)

[El Loto]

Go to Geelong or Wagga Wagga Down Under. I'd like to see the Great Plains and the Canadian Shield for some reason. Must be from geography last year when we did farming. I'd love to see all 5 days of an Ashes Test too and see Le Tour de France in the Alps. I am so going to London to see it in 2007

[Herr Lipp]

Oh I read that. Kent (where I live) is arguing about which City they want it to come through, as it will be coming here too I believe. Canterbury is the only place I can remember that was wanting it to come through...

[El Loto]

My Summer holiday next year is decided. Just need to book it. Never been to Kent. Is it a stereotypical village green scenario?

[Tago Mago]

SW- You would feel most at home in the Southwest region
You advocate a large degree of personal freedom and a large degree of government control over the economy. Your neighbors include such folks as Jesse Jackson, Ralph Nader, Hillary Clinton, and Zack de la Rocha of Rage Against the Machine, and may refer to themselves as "liberals," "left-wing liberals," "civil libertarians," "democratic socialists," "egalitarians," or "anarcho-socialists."

[Squirrel]

Yeah the nerdy yank at the embassy told me to try again in 5 years. But because of all the fucking hassle I had to go through to be told 'No', America ranks way, way down on my wishlist for visiting. I dont wanna give 'em my money either heh, how petty.

New England eh? There's a sensible name for ya. But Wyoming? Wichita? Manhattan? what were they on drugs or something?! :)

Why did they ban you again? Was it 'cause you got caught with pot or something?

[Herr Lipp]

Supplying A Class. You know, the newspaper thing. Im not sure how it wouldve gone down for just possession.

i was a sucker though, he asked me "how many pills we talking about here" and "were you in a club or something", but I told him the truth (98 pills at my workplace) and just sorta gave me an awkward smile then read out the legal thing denying my visa. Cheers buddy.

I dont think you need a holiday visa for Canada do you? I think being British, I should be pardoned anyway, and the Canadian tax payer should foot my expensives, being from the motherland.

[Squirrel]

Ha ha. Uhm... but yeah, you can stay in Canada for up to 6 months on a British passport I think. Getting work permits and stuff is a pain in the arse, but that's mostly down to the British side of things. After I applied, Canada was like "Yeah, fine" after about a month. Then they forwarded all my stuff to the British offices, and it's been about 9 months and counting. I recently found out that the actual Canadian embassy place in London is only open for about 3 hours a week or so.

[Herr Lipp]

All Embassies take the mickey though.

The Americans in the London Embassy got their knickers in a twist about being asked to pay the Congestion Charge, they had a right bitch about it and then got let off.

Remember the Iranian Embassy SAS siege in the 80s? What great television...

[Six Ways]

What? Prosperity? A higher standard of living? Sorry for not being a pinko.

Why does economic freedom give us those things? Economic freedom pretty much inherently increases the rich-poor divide. Prosperity, yeah, but not for most people. Prosperity for Bill Gates, Bush, and the companies behind Bush. And again, a higher standard of living? For whom? Third world countries? I think not.

[Feeling Brackish]

South West

You advocate a large degree of personal freedom and a large degree of government control over the economy. Your neighbors include such folks as Jesse Jackson, Ralph Nader, Hillary Clinton, and Zack de la Rocha of Rage Against the Machine, and may refer to themselves as "liberals," "left-wing liberals," "civil libertarians," "democratic socialists," "egalitarians," or "anarcho-socialists."

I got the exact same result.

[El Loto]

Why does economic freedom give us those things? Economic freedom pretty much inherently increases the rich-poor divide. Prosperity, yeah, but not for most people. Prosperity for Bill Gates, Bush, and the companies behind Bush. And again, a higher standard of living? For whom? Third world countries? I think not.


Yes, more freedom increases disparity. It's typical right-wing hogwash. More tax on the rich and more tax-breaks on the poor. And stop thinking about 3rd world poverty, something needs to be done about domestic poverty. What did you describe yourself as in the last question?

[Kinbote]

Why does economic freedom give us those things? Economic freedom pretty much inherently increases the rich-poor divide. Prosperity, yeah, but not for most people. Prosperity for Bill Gates, Bush, and the companies behind Bush. And again, a higher standard of living? For whom? Third world countries? I think not.

Huzzah for ignorance.

[Kinbote]

The road to socialsim = the road to serfdom.

[Fab]

Yeah Luke! Yer a big fat commie!
I've been using that emoticon too much recently, though always in jest.

Seriously Ted, don't just say he's ignorant, educate him. There's no point in saying anything if you're not going to back it up.

[Fab]

I dislike how it assumes that one is American, but whatever.I don't know what the current American laws are on stuff, so I don't know whether I think they need to be changed.

[Kinbote]

Yeah Luke! Yer a big fat commie!
I've been using that emoticon too much recently, though always in jest.

Seriously Ted, don't just say he's ignorant, educate him. There's no point in saying anything if you're not going to back it up.

I've never found much purpose in arguing with socialists - their heels are dug too far in. The same could probably be said of people like me.

Still, if one wants -
http://www.mises.org/

[Six Ways]

Ok, hang on a second here. For one thing, I'm not a socialist in the true or full meaning of the word. All I'm talking about is decreasing the freedom of the market, nothing else. I'm not talking about taking away people's right to private property or anything else. I'm not talking about everyone being the government's bitches.

The other thing is, that site only says that Ludwig Van Whatever says that certain things are true, and while some of them may well be, it doesn't say why. I'm not saying there is no reason why and it's tantamount to a religion, but can you please explain his theories for me? I'm serious, I'm not mocking, I want to know.

[Telegram Sam]

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[Kinbote]

decreasing the freedom of the market

To me, that's socialism. I like to sputter about how George W. Bush is a socialist, and I do so only half-facetiously.

As for actually going into detail - I've a train to catch in a half-hour, but give me a day or so or something. I've no idea what's on the von Mises site, really: I just read their blog.

Incidentally, don't misread my above comments as personally hostile or anything; occurs to me they might come across as such.

[Telegram Sam]

just to jump in here, I'd like to add that the fundamental grasp of political theory is markedly different between your average UK and US citizen.

just sayin'

[Herr Lipp]

I'd rather have an extreme right government in charge, than an extreme left.

Just thought I'd stick my nose in as this thread has descended into a bit of a free-for-all.

[Fab]

I don't think I could choose between two extreme governments, Fras', you're fucked either way.

[El Loto]

I'd love it if Old Labour came to power. With Tony Benn at the helm. Now that would be a real government.

[Herr Lipp]

I don't think I could choose between two extreme governments, Fras', you're fucked either way.

My theory is, in an extreme right world, someone like me who likes to follow the rules would be okay. In a lefty world with no prisons etc. I;d be more worried about my personal safety.

[El Loto]

No prisons!!!! We leftists aren't that liberal and mad.

[Six Ways]

To me, that's socialism. I like to sputter about how George W. Bush is a socialist, and I do so only half-facetiously.

As for actually going into detail - I've a train to catch in a half-hour, but give me a day or so or something. I've no idea what's on the von Mises site, really: I just read their blog.

Incidentally, don't misread my above comments as personally hostile or anything; occurs to me they might come across as such.

I don't think what you call socialism is the generally accepted definition then. Certainly for me full-on socialism implies massive government intervention in pretty much everything, which, while not as far gone as communism, seems pretty stupid and totally untenable. Basically, I don't trust any government enough to let that happen.

And don't worry, I don't take anything on this board personally, and I know that in that sense I tend to give as good as I get too.

[Fab]

My theory is, in an extreme right world, someone like me who likes to follow the rules would be okay. In a lefty world with no prisons etc. I;d be more worried about my personal safety.
but you don't follow the rules, you pull sickies and smoke weed, and that's just what's illegal now, think of all the extra rules in an extreme right wing government.

[El Loto]

Aye Fraser would get beaten up by the rozzers

[Herr Lipp]

hey mofo I only bend them! In 4 years I wont even have a criminal record anymore. Ho Ho Ho.

But I know, I'm not arguing it 4REALZ. It's one of those "if you had to?" situations, like "If you had to shag one who would it be: Johnny Depp or Maggie Thatcher?"

[Six Ways]

My theory is, in an extreme right world, someone like me who likes to follow the rules would be okay. In a lefty world with no prisons etc. I;d be more worried about my personal safety.

Hang about! If you're talking that extreme, then I think you're making the wrong choice about going right! I mean, with the most extreme right-wing policies possible, we are talking death sentence for borrowing a pencil from someone for 5 seconds without them knowing. I mean, that's how far it'd have to be for the leftist equivalent to be no prisons. I vote for no prisons in that scenario!

I think it should be pointed out that left-wing is not anything goes, it's anything goes that doesn't hurt anyone else. No prisons would not be truly liberal (unless an equivalent system was implemented) since it would restrict the freedoms of others.

[Six Ways]

like "If you had to shag one who would it be: Johnny Depp or Maggie Thatcher?"

What the fuck kinda question is that? Who would hesitate?!?!

[Herr Lipp]

Hmm but the lefty's would be all like "let's let the rapists go as long as they promise not to rape anyone" and yeah, I think it would fall down. In my extreme right fantasy, all purpotrators of certain crimes would be executed. Murderers, Molesters, Beach Boys album owners....

[Herr Lipp]

What the fuck kinda question is that? Who would hesitate?!?!

dunno man. I probably wouldve fucked maggie in her PM days, same with the queen pre-60 years old. I get off on the power shit :D

[El Loto]

MAGGIE!!!!!!!! I'm going to give you bad reputation points for that. Doing Maggie would be akin to necrophilia.

[Herr Lipp]

yeah you're right, I deserve the de-reppage. :cry: I would rather let Depp violate me.

[El Loto]

It says I need to spread some rep around before I give you anymore. I'll probably forget, so you're safe for now.

[DrHibbert]

South-You are a Southerner-an egalitarian-which means that you advocate an increased role for the government in the economic realm. You are more or less pleased the government's role in the personal realm.

[ramblingrose]

South-You are a Southerner-an egalitarian-which means that you advocate an increased role for the government in the economic realm. You are more or less pleased the government's role in the personal realm.

I'm not sure if that sounds like me or not. I think I may have misunderstood some of the questions...

[ramblingrose]

I'd love it if Old Labour came to power. With Tony Benn at the helm. Now that would be a real government.
Much as I love Wedgewood Benn, I think that would be a recipe for a gazillion years of Tory misrule as soon as the elections came round.

[El Loto]

I've actually noticed my thinking has become more left of late. Especially in the debate we had in class today. We voted to abolish private healthcare.

[Six Ways]

I would rather let Depp violate me.

It's not possible for Johnny Depp to violate you. Johnny Depp can only bless you with his penis, and possibly balls.

[ramblingrose]

Johnny Depp would not bless Fraser with his organ.

[El Loto]

But Fraser would violate Mrs. Thatcher with his organ.

[ramblingrose]

That's an image almost as disturbing as the eight-year-old child being breastfed on C4.

[El Loto]

Did you actually watch it? How old was the oldest child?

[Telegram Sam]

15

[ramblingrose]

Too old! She was a sinister fat wall-eyed 8yr old. I feel all upset, I keep eyeing my own breasts suspiciously, like they're going to run off and feed someone without my consent or something.

[ramblingrose]

15


REALLY? I was out of the room for a couple of minutes.

[Nak Nak]

REALLY? I was out of the room for a couple of minutes.

Wait, what is this?

[Telegram Sam]

nah, not really. would be sick beyond belief though. I didn't think women lactated for that long after pregnancy?

[ramblingrose]

Wait, what is this?

It was HORRIBLE! "Extreme Breastfeeding" on Channel 4.

[Telegram Sam]

from the C4 site:


"Veronika is still breastfeeding her seven-year-old daughter, while her eldest has asked if she can be breastfed as a present for her tenth birthday"





WTF?

[Nak Nak]

Nothing better than the mother's milk.

[ramblingrose]

You've obviously never tried daddy's cream.

[Nak Nak]

You've obviously never tried daddy's cream.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[vordabois]

Hmm but the lefty's would be all like "let's let the rapists go as long as they promise not to rape anyone"

Myth.

[vordabois]

You've obviously never tried daddy's cream.

oh my.

[Herr Lipp]

Too old! She was a sinister fat wall-eyed 8yr old. I feel all upset, I keep eyeing my own breasts suspiciously, like they're going to run off and feed someone without my consent or something.

I watched that. There were some massive hooters on there. And my mum was in the room when the dad was there going "I like to sample sometimes guhaw" D: the fucking sicko.

[Leela]

nah, not really. would be sick beyond belief though. I didn't think women lactated for that long after pregnancy?


They don't....I read somewhere about some old kid still breast feeding and they said that it's just for comfort since her milk dried up long ago.

[El Loto]

Bitty

[Six Ways]

They don't....I read somewhere about some old kid still breast feeding and they said that it's just for comfort since her milk dried up long ago.

Surely you could keep lactating if you never stopped suckling? Isn't that how milk cows work?

[Telegram Sam]

They don't....I read somewhere about some old kid still breast feeding and they said that it's just for comfort since her milk dried up long ago.

I see. is it possible to lactate without actually having been pregnant?

[Six Ways]

Isn't that how milk cows work?

Sorry, my mistake, THIS is how milk cows work.

[vordabois]

Sorry, my mistake, THIS is how milk cows work.

:yes:

:lol:

[ramblingrose]

you didn't give it any ears!

[Herr Lipp]

I applaud your post, but worry about how much time you mustve spent on it.

you and frank are both MS Paint whores. lots of wasted hours in ICT class per chance?

[ramblingrose]

the standard of their work is uniformly high, I wouldn't say the time they spent honing the skills was at all wasted.

[Herr Lipp]

Of course not. My art skills are so poor I wouldnt even be able to do a cow as good as that. Horses are the hardest animals to draw.

[ramblingrose]

Cats are difficult, I've never liked drawing cats because it always comes out rubbish. At primary school they had this collection of stuffed animals that we had to draw, the dead mole was my favourite because of its lovely soft fur. It's a bit odd though, making little children draw dead squirrels and such.

[Telegram Sam]

I would like to see a mole in person some day

[ramblingrose]

They are so cute but they fuck up your lawn, and are therefore the nemesis of middle-class dads. The saving of a mole's life can blind me to a person's faults.

[Fab]

My cat catches moles but the doesn't eat them.

[ramblingrose]

Which cat is that? Does he play with them in a sweet interspecies friendship type way?

[dorareever]

West-You are a Westerner-a civil libertarian-which means that you advocate a diminished role for the government in the personal realm. You are more or less pleased the government's role in the economic realm.

[Six Ways]

the standard of their work is uniformly high, I wouldn't say the time they spent honing the skills was at all wasted.

Yeah, but let's be honest, hands up those who needed the "note: not a dog" sign, even if just to make sure.

[Six Ways]

What, no-one's given me reputation for this work of art yet?! I mean, I realise people (fraser) are gonna de-rep me just for bringing the subject up, but who do I have to suck off round here?!?!:cry:

[Fab]

I spend all my time giving you reputation, I'm not allowed to give you any more.

[Cheryl K]

South and slightly west.