David Cameron

[El Loto]

So Mr. Cameron had a rather calm Prime Minister's Question Time today. I seriously believe that he will challenge Labour at the next election and as I see it Labour are beginning to look old and tired. So Gordon or David for the next PM?

[Squirrel]

He seems to be trying to pull the same trick that got Blair into power. He's trying to occupy the middle and nudge Blair over to the right. By supporting some of his more centrist policies with the whole "let's work together" thing, I think he's just trying to divide opinion within Labour.

[Squirrel]

It's kind of funny to have a stoner in charge of the Conservative Party though.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

The guy is a moron. He has no backbone. He is going for the teddybear appeal but Blair will eat him alive for breakfast, he is so wet and naive.

[Squirrel]

Do you think Blair is pretty much a spent force now?

[Herr Lipp]

He seems like a bit of a Loose Cannon now. Acting a bit recklessly, but by doing so alienating more Lab backbenchers. I think it would've been better to get Gordon in this year, he's much more plain-talking and realistic about shit. He owned up about the growth and his generous predictions last demi-year (or whenever it was), and he was prompting Tony in Prime Ministers Questions to pull Cameron up on his gifures that don't add up.

Similarly, I wish we had someone with some bollocks (funnily enough I'm thinking of Thatcher) to sort out the EU budget bullshit. If Tony gives up some of the rebate while the lazy French and Irish farmers still receive their ludicrous benefits for sub-standard produce, all the while hampering growth of farmers outside of the EU, well, I think he'll need egging.

[Fab]

I think he'll challenge whoever is Prime Minister at the next election, but only because he's more Blair than Blair is now.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Squirrel
Do you think Blair is pretty much a spent force now?
Not really. He is still the best at playing the political game. Next Christmas he will resign and there will be a smooth transistion of leadership.

Im glad Blair did the right thing and gave back the EU rebate to put an end to the British theivery and put them back in line with the rest of Europe. :yes:

[Herr Lipp]

He hasn;t given it back at all.

[Herr Lipp]

You champion a French notion of keeping things as they are :rolleyes: which doesnt even work! :lol: France are getting plunged into debt, even with those stupid CAP payments.

[Herr Lipp]

And of course all the little piece of shit countries are going to give it about more funding :rolleyes: they're out for all they can get, but they've only been around 5 minutes. very noble of them.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
He hasn;t given it back at all.
A very moot point becuase he will.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
You champion a French notion of keeping things as they are :rolleyes: which doesnt even work! :lol: France are getting plunged into debt, even with those stupid CAP payments.
No, I dont. I champion the notion of CHANGE so that all nations get their deserved amounts.


Every nation is in debt.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
And of course all the little piece of shit countries are going to give it about more funding :rolleyes: they're out for all they can get, but they've only been around 5 minutes. very noble of them.
They should get a shitload more funding, and Britain returning what they dont deserve will help justice.

[El Loto]

Originally posted by Squirrel
He seems to be trying to pull the same trick that got Blair into power. He's trying to occupy the middle and nudge Blair over to the right. By supporting some of his more centrist policies with the whole "let's work together" thing, I think he's just trying to divide opinion within Labour.

You are right about the middle. He is trying to tempt more working-class voters with his ideas for social justice. The Tories are edging to the centre and Labour are edging right. Tony is still the master. Even if his backbencher are disillusioned he can still hold the house. I must admit though I did like Mr. Cameron's comment "He was the future.....once"

Interstingly a Labour MP has been banned from the House for the rest of today after accusing George Osborne of sniffing coke. He refused to retract the comment. Did anyone see the 10 minute programme on BBC2 last night called "Scandal". It was all about Tory sleaze in the 90s. I ripped the piss out of my Tory mate at school today.

[ramblingrose]

I hate them all. I'm supposed to be a Liberal Democrat (don't laugh, it felt like the right thing at the time and they held me hostage for seven hours during the 2001 campaign, true story) but they've not done anything to take advantage of the shitness of the other two since the election. I'm totally disillusioned with politics and I've even stopped watching the news. There's no choice any more and I'm fed up of it, and have resigned myself to a life of voting for the lesser of several evils. The NHS trust I work for is worse now than it was under the Tories, I mean what's that about? And so what that I get paid a lot more, I would willingly swap it for better working conditions and better treatment for patients. I didn't become a nurse to leave old men sitting in their own mess for an hour because of chronic understaffing, which is why I took a copout job, but we've suspended a lot of our services because we've got no staff (including me but that's not my fault). I volunteered to be redeployed two months ago but they would prefer to pay me to sit on my arse at home rather than fill in somewhere. I'm sorry, I'm in a bad mood. Back to the matter in hand, well, I have no opinion on David Cameron other than he's the leader of the Conservative party so I doubt we have a lot in common.

[Squirrel]

I have also become disillusioned with the whole voting process. No-one makes a fuss about how it's supposed to be a secret ballot and it's blatantly not. And also there is no-one who even vaguely represents my point of view and blah de blah.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
I hate them all. I'm supposed to be a Liberal Democrat (don't laugh, it felt like the right thing at the time and they held me hostage for seven hours during the 2001 campaign, true story) but they've not done anything to take advantage of the shitness of the other two since the election.
I've voted Lib Dem for the last two elections, and barring a miraculous comeback by the Tories, (I wouldnt put anything past the moronic British, though), I will continue to vote for them. They arent brilliant, but they are the lesser of the evils.

[El Loto]

Aberdeen, which has been a Labour stronghold for eternity, strangely has a Lib Dem - Tory coalition council. All the Lord Provost has done is get his face in the paper and the local press hate Labour and they kiss the Provost's arse. Seeing as the Tories are kingmakers, which means they are in a position to push through their own policies, how come the council tax continues to rise? The council in Aberdeen never does anything. They sit on the fence and think about good ideas. They just think, it's typical Lib Dem behaviour.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by El Loto
never does anything. They sit on the fence and think about good ideas. They just think, it's typical Lib Dem behaviour.

If you cut me I bleed Liberal Democrat:(
Although one of my local councillors rang me up and went on at me for hours about representing the area, so that was sort of doing something.
Danny, do you have the holy trinity of Kabeer, Linda and Penny? They womble the streets pointing at broken things and picking up crisp packets with a grabber.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
Danny, do you have the holy trinity of Kabeer, Linda and Penny? They womble the streets pointing at broken things and picking up crisp packets with a grabber.
What the.....?

[ramblingrose]

They are my LibDem councillors. Kabeer does all the grabbing as he's a young buck, and Penny and Linda look on and point, as they are mature ladies.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Oh, Ive never heard of them, sorry.

[ramblingrose]

I'm in Hillary Benn's bit of town, I wish his dad was my MP - sexiest politician EVER, in his day.

[Herr Lipp]

Anne Widdecombe is Maidstone MP. That's where I work. Bob Marshall-Andrews, Medway MP, was on Have I Got News For You this week - I live in medway. Theres actually quite a few tory places round here, but Medway keeps it real.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
I'm in Hillary Benn's bit of town, I wish his dad was my MP - sexiest politician EVER, in his day.
with the sexiest voice!

I would have gone for Barbara Castle in her day, I tell you!

[Kinbote]

Philip Larkin had all kinds of sex dreams about Margaret Thatcher. I don't quite see the appeal, myself. Of course, I once had a sex dream about Angela Merkel, which, in retrospect, was pretty gross. Except for when she complimented me for my words on labor market reform.

[Squirrel]

They fuck you up, your Mum and Dad.

[Kinbote]

Love again: wanking at ten past three (surely he's taken her home by now?). The bedroom hot as a bakery, the drink gone dead without showing how to meet tomorrow, and afterward, and the usual pain, like dysentery.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Squirrel
They fuck you up, your Mum and Dad.
....as Eminem once said.

[Squirrel]

...and then comes the proof.

[Kinbote]

This Cambridge Guide looks pretty bad to me: explaining Scott's plots for niggers.

I can hear fat Caribbean germs pattering after me in the Underground.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Squirrel
...and then comes the proof.
If only they put that in monkey dust too

[El Loto]

You have to laugh at Private Eye's most recent cover.
"World's First Face Transplant a Success"
It has a before picture of Tony and an after picture of David. rofl

[El Loto]

I was watching Prime Minister's Questions yesterday and Jenny Scott was looking well hot on the Daily Politics. I always thought she was hot but yesterday she was awesome.

[ramblingrose]

I think Jeremy Vine is sort of hot:-o

[El Loto]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
I think Jeremy Vine is sort of hot:-o

I thought Dermot or Nicholas Witchall were the ladie's favourites?

[ramblingrose]

They may well be, but this lady likes Vine, with his tallness and love of the Flaming Lips and all-round good egg-ness. He's like a middle-class English Bruce Springsteen.

[ramblingrose]

ps I did once say that Andrew Marr was "cute" but that doesn't mean I would, alright?

[El Loto]

Yeah sure. I bet yo'd go for the smoothie that is Peter Sissons. How many women could resist Sir Trevor?

[Squirrel]

Jon Snow is my hero.

[Squirrel]

Remember when the Prime Minister went to China and got all preachy about their human rights record, and it was right after the "torturing prisoners in Iraq" thing happened and Jon Snow went to the press conference and totally called him on it? "What gives you the right to talk about human rights...?" etc. That was like a cosmic super-owning. :)

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by El Loto
How many women could resist Sir Trevor?

Me, for one. I have got a bit of a thing for Jon Snow though, he's a silver fox.
Peter Sissons=Harvey Keitel (bleugh).


Jon Snow :love:

[Squirrel]

I can't watch Channel 4 news any more 'cause I'm all the way out in Canada. and they changed the video on the website so now you can't download it so it doesn't work on me computer. ANYWAY I signed up for the "Snowmail" thing where they just e-mail you the jist of the news from Channel 4 every day, and some of them are hilarious. :yes:

[Squirrel]

I don't really get to watch English news much any more, but I've seen a few articles like this (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/20122005/325/blair-s-government-steam-opinion-poll.html) around lately. So are we going Conservative again? Should people be selling their houses now, before the next recession arrives? And what was Charles Kennedy doing for the last 8 months or so, when Blair was so unpopular and the Tories didn't have a leader? I haven't heard a peep out of him for ages....

[El Loto]

Originally posted by Squirrel
I don't really get to watch English news much any more, but I've seen a few articles like this (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/20122005/325/blair-s-government-steam-opinion-poll.html) around lately. So are we going Conservative again? Should people be selling their houses now, before the next recession arrives? And what was Charles Kennedy doing for the last 8 months or so, when Blair was so unpopular and the Tories didn't have a leader? I haven't heard a peep out of him for ages....

I think the problem now is that the retarded 80% of the population in the UK are bored of Labour and its not exciting to have them in Government. Besides asking where Kennedy has been, what about his party?

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Squirrel
what was Charles Kennedy doing for the last 8 months or so, when Blair was so unpopular and the Tories didn't have a leader? I haven't heard a peep out of him for ages....

That's what I'd like to know. It's pathetic, the LibDems could have been serious challengers if they'd bothered to capitalise on the pointlessness of the other two parties. I can see that they maybe don't get that much press coverage, but all you have to do is shout. If I was LibDem leader it would all be very different (though I imagine the booze rumours would be fairly similar).

[El Loto]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
That's what I'd like to know. It's pathetic, the LibDems could have been serious challengers if they'd bothered to capitalise on the pointlessness of the other two parties. I can see that they maybe don't get that much press coverage, but all you have to do is shout. If I was LibDem leader it would all be very different (though I imagine the booze rumours would be fairly similar).

The problem with the Lib Dems is that they are seen as a party full of people who can't decide between left or right. Surely you must agree that they are quite boring and never appear to be doing anything except trying to bring down their own leader. Do they think they are the Tories?

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Mark, I wouldnt worry about the poll.

The Tories have put so much hype into this leadership election and dragged it out for so long, the hype will show initially, but it wont last.

People will be detesting Cameron before long.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
If I was LibDem leader it would all be very different (though I imagine the booze rumours would be fairly similar).
:yes:

Have you been out for a drink with Frank and Luke yet?

[El Loto]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Mark, I wouldnt worry about the poll.

The Tories have put so much hype into this leadership election and dragged it out for so long, the hype will show initially, but it wont last.

People will be detesting Cameron before long.

He does seem to be very nice for a Tory leader. None of this rottweiler, vampire doolally.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

True, but he is weak as fuck. As my mate described him, he is like a "big cuddly Tory teddy bear". He will get eaten alive.

[El Loto]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
True, but he is weak as fuck. As my mate described him, he is like a "big cuddly Tory teddy bear". He will get eaten alive.

I've just thought of something. The Tories do not want to be in the EU but they do not want rid of the rebate. So they seriously want to be in Government? He doesn't look hard at all.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by El Loto
I've just thought of something. The Tories do not want to be in the EU but they do not want rid of the rebate. So they seriously want to be in Government? He doesn't look hard at all.
Theyre a mess. Already they put Clarke in the shadow cabinet and he totally at odds with the rest.

[El Loto]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Theyre a mess. Already they put Clarke in the shadow cabinet and he totally at odds with the rest.

The whole party voted for Liam Fox just so Ken Clarke wouldn't go to the 2nd round of leadership voting. Labour are a picture of harmony in comparison.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Thats my point. Labour do all their better things better and without the smarminess. The Tories are becoming more modern slowly, but they are still only up to about 1955 at the moment.

[El Loto]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Thats my point. Labour do all their better things better and without the smarminess. The Tories are becoming more modern slowly, but they are still only up to about 1955 at the moment.

'55. You are full of flattery today!

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by El Loto
'55. You are full of flattery today!
Im in a funny mood. Its my last day of work till Jan 12th, which is kinda good, but I dont get paid for 3 weeks since I havent been here long. I also have a funeral in Liverpool tomorrow, so I have to get up at 5.30am.

So its both good and bad, and so I might make some funny calls on things like that.

[El Loto]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Im in a funny mood. Its my last day of work till Jan 12th, which is kinda good, but I dont get paid for 3 weeks since I havent been here long. I also have a funeral in Liverpool tomorrow, so I have to get up at 5.30am.

So its both good and bad, and so I might make some funny calls on things like that.

My last day of school is tomorrow. I skived today because I was really tired though. Then I'm going to Ballater on the 24th until the 27th. So I'll be out of the social circle until next week. This year has gone too quickly. I can remember last Christmas and Hogmanay as though it was last week.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Ah yes! Last new years eve, I was babysitting my neices and was asleep before midnight. Was the most rewarding new years for a very long time.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by El Loto
The whole party voted for Liam Fox just so Ken Clarke wouldn't go to the 2nd round of leadership voting. Labour are a picture of harmony in comparison.

They voted for Liam Fox because he's shagged Natalie Imbruglia (allegedly).

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by El Loto
I've just thought of something. The Tories do not want to be in the EU but they do not want rid of the rebate. So they seriously want to be in Government? He doesn't look hard at all.

Almost all UK politicians seem to be retarded when it comes to Europe. I think Ireland have the right idea regarding the EU.

[Herr Lipp]

Of course Ireland want to ride out this plateau re: the EU, they're in good position for CAP paybacks.

Meh hopefully Gordon will push the matter in 2008 (think its then) when the reform is due.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by El Loto
The problem with the Lib Dems is that they are seen as a party full of people who can't decide between left or right. Surely you must agree that they are quite boring and never appear to be doing anything except trying to bring down their own leader. Do they think they are the Tories?

I think the LibDems are rubbish, but nicer rubbish than Labour or the Conservatives. I don't think they neccessarily need to be left or right, but they need to be a lot more aggressive. I like Kennedy, but I think a lot of the LDs are woolly old biddies who are only there because they think the Tories are a bit mean and are under the misapprehension that Labour are still all about trade unions. That was the idea I got when they kidnapped me, anyway.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Herr Lipp
Of course Ireland want to ride out this plateau re: the EU, they're in good position for CAP paybacks.

Meh hopefully Gordon will push the matter in 2008 (think its then) when the reform is due.

I like Gordon, he's not a sinister grinning fool like Tony.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
I think Ireland have the right idea regarding the EU.
But they dont have the English arrogance or stupidity regarding the "soverignity" myth, so its easier for them

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
I think the LibDems are rubbish, but nicer rubbish than Labour or the Conservatives. I don't think they neccessarily need to be left or right, but they need to be a lot more aggressive. I like Kennedy, but I think a lot of the LDs are woolly old biddies who are only there because they think the Tories are a bit mean and are under the misapprehension that Labour are still all about trade unions. That was the idea I got when they kidnapped me, anyway.
Spot on again.

Its always the "lesser of evils" thing, and I wish the Lib Dems would stop trying to be so nice and kick the arse they can.

[Squirrel]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
I like Gordon, he's not a sinister grinning fool like Tony.

I'm probably just being a bit dumb, but I don't understand why Gordon Brown is next in line for the leadership instead of the deputy PM. Not that I'm in any way suggesting that Prescott should be in charge. Bloody hell, just imagine that.

[ramblingrose]

I wonder if he'd have got as much stick if that incident had ocurred in these "terror-filled" times?

[Squirrel]

Maybe they'd have prosecuted the egg-throwing guy as an assassin.

[Squirrel]

P.S. I like how the guy getting punched is doing this ":D" in that picture. He's all like, "This is brilliant."

[ramblingrose]

"There could be anthrax in those eggs!" Daily Mail

[El Loto]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
"There could be anthrax in those eggs!" Daily Mail

The Daily Mail probably put our mulleted farmer friend up to the job,

[ramblingrose]

I doubt it, he looks like the sort of fellow who could lower the tone of the neighbourhood and therefore stop house prices soaring to a completely meaningless level!

[El Loto]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
I doubt it, he looks like the sort of fellow who could lower the tone of the neighbourhood and therefore stop house prices soaring to a completely meaningless level!

"It's so cheap for such a lovely house"
"Yes but pikey man lives here"
"Oh I suppose. Let's move to Hull"

I see what you mean. People would lock their doors and stow away their eggs with mullet man on the loose.

[ramblingrose]

Did you see the front page today, I believe it was the Independent, where they declared that house prices are to rise again, like it's a good thing?

[ramblingrose]

I phrased that all wrong...the headline was something like "reasons to be cheerful" and the houseprice thing was one of them.

[El Loto]

How the hell will young people like myself ever afford to buy a house. They are already bloody expensive in Aberdeen.

[ramblingrose]

If there's a big old recession you'll be okay. My next-door neighbour paid ten grand for her house in 1994 (admittedly there were riots going on in the area at the time but still) and it's worth over a quarter of a million now.

[El Loto]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
If there's a big old recession you'll be okay. My next-door neighbour paid ten grand for her house in 1994 (admittedly there were riots going on in the area at the time but still) and it's worth over a quarter of a million now.

Where do you live? Aye people were buing house for six grand and stuff and they are like £250,000 now. MAD

[ramblingrose]

j'habite Leeds. in the "bohemian quarter". It's quite nice actually, despite the bomb factories and whatnot. Peter O'Toole used to live on my road, apparently.

[El Loto]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
j'habite Leeds. in the "bohemian quarter". It's quite nice actually, despite the bomb factories and whatnot. Peter O'Toole used to live on my road, apparently.

I saw a headline on ceefax when I got home this morning. "House prices to rise 3% in next year". :eek:

[ramblingrose]

Sales recently added within 500 metres of LS3 1ET:

• 16, Kelso Gardens, LS2 9PS - Sold for £132,000 on 04/11/2005
• 6, Kelso Road, LS2 9PR - Sold for £315,000 on 25/10/2005
• Flat 3, 11 Chatsworth House, Hyde Terrace, LS2 9LN - Sold for £159,950 on 06/10/2005
• 37, Hanover Square, LS3 1BQ - Sold for £400,000 on 12/07/2005
• 16, Kelsall Avenue, LS6 1RB - Sold for £75,755 on 10/06/2005
• 11a, Hyde Park Road, LS6 1PY - Sold for £165,000 on 17/03/2004

[El Loto]

I went to Markies with my mother earlier and I found the noise and hustle was really getting to me. I was in Ballater for four days which was bliss and I was thinking in Marlks + Sparks that perhaps I should head to the countryside when i'm older. I hated being in the town this afternoon but that was probably due to the large volume of neds milling around.

Are you a home owner?

[ramblingrose]

God no, we rent this tumbledown palace. If I won the lottery I'd buy it because I like it, but I'm not bothered about buying a house, I'll leave that sort of thing to the grown-ups (and the people who can afford it). I think it's probably a good idea to decide where I want to live first, I was all for moving back to Scotland for most of this year (I found a job on Mull and a flat on Bute, not very practical really) but I don't know any people up there apart from elderly relatives, so despite my desire to have millions of dogs and wander along the beaches of my childhood I haven't bothered.

[El Loto]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
God no, we rent this tumbledown palace. If I won the lottery I'd buy it because I like it, but I'm not bothered about buying a house, I'll leave that sort of thing to the grown-ups (and the people who can afford it). I think it's probably a good idea to decide where I want to live first, I was all for moving back to Scotland for most of this year (I found a job on Mull and a flat on Bute, not very practical really) but I don't know any people up there apart from elderly relatives, so despite my desire to have millions of dogs and wander along the beaches of my childhood I haven't bothered.

The Western Isles would be lovely but a bit too cut-off. I've always liked the idea of Royal Deeside or Perthshire. My family holidayed a lot in Perthshire in the 90s. If I could I would love to live in Boston though. You should come to Aberdeen. Stonehaven, the home of the deep-fried mars bar is 15 miles away. I've never tried one though.