Drink and you "deserve to get raped"

[ramblingrose]

Has anybody seen the Amnesty International survey being reported on in today's news? I'm too fucking cross to say anything about it at the moment and I will find a link in an ill-tempered manner in just a moment.

[Herr Lipp]

I see where they're coming from. But it still doesn't change the fact that no one has the "right" to rape someone just because they're all over them.

I hate rapists.

And nonces.

Grrrrr. :mad:

[ramblingrose]

I can't find one so this is from the Daily Mirror.

"Women who flirt, get drunk or wear sexy clothes are asking to be raped, according to a shocking new survey.
More than a third of people - mainly males - believe girls trying to chat up men are partially or totally to blame for being attacked.
A quarter reckon a woman wearing a provocative outfit is at least partly to blame especially if she has been drinking.
One in 12 thinks she is a natural target if she has had a number of sexual partners.
And a third believe she is responsible to some degree if she haas clearly failed to say No (sic).
The disturbing attitudes towards rape and rape victims were uncovered by Amnesty International in a national survey to promote its Stop Violence Against Women campaign."

[ramblingrose]

I think that people who spout misogynist rubbish like the above are asking to have their eyes gouged out with a rusty potato peeler, but I also believe it's my responsibility to control that urge. It makes me so fucking ANGRY. The conviction rate for rape is at something like 5%, and to be honest unless you're a nun and you're left for dead by a maniac you've got sod all chance of seeing your rapist get convicted.

[Herr Lipp]

Well, it doesn;t seem like the most un-biased survey in the world does it? They're basically suggesting these answers to people. I think what they should really be drawing for it is the effect drinking has on both parties. How many girls do you see who've had one too many who start getting their tits out or start grabbing blokes cocks (I've been groped took me years of psychiatric help to get over it :) ?

And likewise, it's reasonable to believe that an inebriated man is going to have crappier judgment than a sober one, therefore increasing the risk that he might just think "oh she likes a bit of rough sex" etc.

[Fab]

A good lot of men are cunts and bastards, if I was a girl I wouldn't tempt fate.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Fab
A good lot of men are cunts and bastards, if I was a girl I wouldn't tempt fate.
While you are correct, it should still be the responsibility of cunts and bastards to leave me alone, rather than my responsibility not to "provoke" them.
I understand your point of view though, you seem very un-cunty and un-bastardy and my male friends have the same opinion as you. It winds me up that people feel like they have to walk me home though, especially when statistically they are a lot more likely to get attacked on the way back from walking me home.

[Herr Lipp]

But that's the chivalrous thing to do. I never let a girl walk home on her own. I'm not thick anyway, if I'm walking through Chatham or Gillingham or somewhere else dodgy, you know I'm tooled up.

[DrHibbert]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
I'm not thick anyway, if I'm walking through Chatham or Gillingham or somewhere else dodgy, you know I'm tooled up. Fraser you should publish a dictionary.

[Jackal]

No one should ever be raped because of their clothing, actions, or being drunk out of their mind.

I think girls do slutty behaviors for many different reasons, other than what guys think of when they see it.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Jackal
No one should ever be raped because of their clothing, actions, or being drunk out of their mind.

I think girls do slutty behaviors for many different reasons, other than what guys think of when they see it.

Indeed. And it's not the chivalry that annoys me, it's the fact I can't go where I want when I want without an escort that irks.

[Fab]

Originally posted by Jackal
No one should ever be raped because of their clothing, actions, or being drunk out of their mind.

I think girls do slutty behaviors for many different reasons, other than what guys think of when they see it. Right, but the guys will think that and you can't stop them, so the best you can do (I'm using "you" in a general sense by the way) is to not push it. Most guys are stronger than most girls, and after a bit of alcohol they're not afraid to utilise that advantage.

Rapists are horrible people who should be sterilised or something, but if you know that what you're doing is encouraging something bad to happen, then why do it? You wouldn't leave your car unlocked in a dodgy area (like outside Ciona's house :D), it's the same principal.

PS, Ciona, I will try to post or drop off your rawk CD this week.

[Six Ways]

Yeah, Frank, but by rights they should be able to do such things without being in fear. After all, a man is far more likely to get away with wearing what he likes and not getting raped. I agree that in practice it's in your best interest to be smart about it, but the direct blame for rape lies upon the rapist. If there were no women dressed in slutty clothes, rape would still occur. If there were no rapists, and plenty of women dressed in slutty clothes, rape would not occur. Therefore the rapist is absolutely to blame. I know it doesn't work quite like that in the real world, but I cannot blame women for wanting to exercise the freedoms they should and could have.

[Fab]

Originally posted by Six Ways
it doesn't work quite like that in the real worldyou should have the freedom to leave your car unlocked without fear of it being stolen, you don't so deal with it. So what if people shouldn't rape people? It's still the woman who gets raped and if not dressing provocatively and getting so pissed that you don't know what's going on is going to help avoid getting raped then it seems a small price to pay.

I just don't really get what your point is.

[ramblingrose]

In principle I totally agree with Luke, but in practice I do try to be cautious, there's no point getting murdered as a political statement. Just as a little aside, my friend Simon got beaten up really badly walking home from town a few months ago and nobody said, well Simon, you were drunk and walking alone in Hyde Park, what did you think would happen? I'm aware that this isn't a perfect world and it's not worth taking unneccessary (spelling?) risks with your personal safety, it's the double standard I object to.

And where I live is not dodgy! On the plus side surely nobody will mess with me once I'm "rawk".:)

[Fab]

I wouldn't walk through Hyde Park on my own late late at night if I could avoid it, I think your friend is silly. In principal i agree with Luke, and I think Luke was only talking in principal, I don't know, I'm very confused as to what Luke added but anyway, it is the real world and there are bad people around who think having AIDS is no reason to stop having one night stands.

[ramblingrose]

I know, I do appreciate what you're saying but there is a double standard. Also sometimes I have no choice but to walk places on my own and I do get scared, mainly because I know if something happens I'll get the blame.

[Jackal]

Women do need to be careful and that sucks to have to think about all the time.

I would never say a girl deserves to get raped, but they should really think before they dress slutty and act loose and come on to guys in a sexually aggressive way. After an hour of acting like "yes" and then saying "no" is pretty heartless.

I know some women just do it to feel attractive and to get lightly felt up and that's all they are interested in.

[ramblingrose]

It worries me that if I so much as smile at a chap it could be misconstrued as "asking for it". And it's horrible when they shout stuff at you in the street and if you don't seem grateful you get called "frigid" and told "you need a good fucking". I've said it before but I just wish more people would bring up their sons properly. I don't know, the whole thing just makes me sad.

[Six Ways]

I'm just saying that as regards the original point of the thread, I cannot blame the women for getting raped, as it is not their immediate responsibility. In a lot of cases, it is perhaps that they help the rapist pick his target rather than decide to commit the crime, in which case, if not her, someone else, in which case the rape is in no way her fault.

[Six Ways]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
and told "you need a good fucking". I've said it before

Why Ciona! I'm disgusted!

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Six Ways
Why Ciona! I'm disgusted!

This was all getting a bit too serious for little old me and my Richard and Judy-related drunkenness. That's broken the tension nicely.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Six Ways
Yeah, Frank, but by rights they should be able to do such things without being in fear. After all, a man is far more likely to get away with wearing what he likes and not getting raped. I agree that in practice it's in your best interest to be smart about it, but the direct blame for rape lies upon the rapist. If there were no women dressed in slutty clothes, rape would still occur. If there were no rapists, and plenty of women dressed in slutty clothes, rape would not occur. Therefore the rapist is absolutely to blame. I know it doesn't work quite like that in the real world, but I cannot blame women for wanting to exercise the freedoms they should and could have.

On a serious note, I read this out to Ruth and we both agree that this is the most eloquent version of our fundamental argument we've ever read.

[Six Ways]

Wow, thanks. I thought I might have rambled a bit. :confused:

[ramblingrose]

No, really, it's great.

[Herr Lipp]

Originally posted by DrHibbert
Fraser you should publish a dictionary.

:confused: ok.

'tooled up' means 'armed' in common language if that's what you're hinting at.

[Fab]

Originally posted by Six Ways
In a lot of cases, it is perhaps that they help the rapist pick his target rather than decide to commit the crime, in which case, if not her, someone else, in which case the rape is in no way her fault. But there's a good lot of cases where a woman's been flirting with a guy for a bit, he's tried it on and she decides she doesn't want to go that far, now a decent bloke might be a bit annoyed but like I've said, there are a lot of bastards around who think they should always get what they want and he won't take no for an answer. Not to say that the man shouldn't have all kinds of horrible things happen to him, and not that I don't feel 100% sorry for the woman, but knowing that there are men like that that exist and still choosing to dress provocatively and flirt outrageously with men is playing with fire. Heck, it's not totally unheard of for a woman's close friend to get the wrong idea and go too far. It's also worth noting that a bit of drink could turn the afore mentioned decent guy into the afore mentioned bastard.

Most of the time, women will get away with dressing and acting as such, but they just need to come across one twat and then suddenly they're a statistic. If you always leave your front door unlocked when you go out, there's a high probability that it won't make a bit of difference, how many times do you think a burglar's come and tried to open your door? But if you did come home to find your door wide open and all your stuff gone, don't tell me you weren't even slightly to blame.

You know burglars exist, so you lock your door, you know that twats who won't take no for an answer exist, so you don't let them ask.

[Fab]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
It worries me that if I so much as smile at a chap it could be misconstrued as "asking for it". There's a clear difference that everyone except the mentally unsound know between smiling flirtatiously at someone and leading them on.

[Herr Lipp]

good analogy. :yes:

It's all alcohol's fault I tells ya! They should ban it and legalise weed and all the rapists will soon be more interested in watching Cheech & Chong than chasing skirt.

[Fab]

This thread is reminding me slightly of the scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, where they're working out the demands for after they've kidnapped Pilot's wife, and the one bloke wants the right to have babies. It's all well and good saying that women should have the right to wear what they want and act how they want (though as Alisson said, " an hour of acting like 'yes' and then saying 'no' is pretty heartless"), but it doesn't work like that so there's no point arguing it.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Fab
it doesn't work like that so there's no point arguing it.

I think you're being a tiny bit defeatist there, a hundred years ago people probably said that to the suffragettes.

[Fab]

That was different entirely, the suffragettes were campaining for a change in the law, there's no law you can change or create that will make bad men nice.

[ramblingrose]

Right, this isn't going to make any sense but.

I'm taking slight issue with your attitude to this, Frank. As I said above, I think it's a bit defeatist, and as various civil rights movements have demonstrated it IS possible to change people's mindsets. It's only fifteen years since marital rape was recognised in this country for example.
Personally I try not to put myself at risk of attack and I don't wear anything I would consider "slutty" (though this is subjective and one man's virgin is another man's whore). Nor do I spend hours rubbing people up and then refuse to put out, as it were. BUT if I did choose to go out in a "slutty" outfit, flirt with some bloke, take him home and do all manner of things with him, I have still got the right to say no. People change their minds and that's allowed. In the above scenario nobody would have a problem with the man suddenly changing his mind and deciding to leave, so why is it different the other way round?

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Fab
That was different entirely, the suffragettes were campaining for a change in the law, there's no law you can change or create that will make bad men nice.

I know, I know, but if we could get rid of the "she was asking for it" mentality it might make some difference, non?

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Fab
This thread is reminding me slightly of the scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, where they're working out the demands for after they've kidnapped Pilot's wife, and the one bloke wants the right to have babies. It's all well and good saying that women should have the right to wear what they want and act how they want (though as Alisson said, " an hour of acting like 'yes' and then saying 'no' is pretty heartless"), but it doesn't work like that so there's no point arguing it.
I think you mean Life of Brian.



Anyway, I was watching this on the news last night and it just depressed me. Yet more evidence of how neanderthal this country is.

[Herr Lipp]

Hmmm I don;t think people are arguing that the man is blameless here, Ciona. They are arguing that girls need to realise, compared to a 14 stone bloke, they are pretty much helpless should things turn ugly with a bastard bloke.

Of course it is their right to say no, but don;t tempt fate because if you do, it's likely you'll come out worse.

[ramblingrose]

I understand what people are saying, but the fact remains women are effectively controlled by this very attitude. I SHOULD be able to walk home on my own, and if something happens to me nobody should say, well, you were walking alone at night...
When I did jury service I got two rape trials.
This is something the judge said in his summing up in the first one - "People of BOTH genders should have the right to go anywhere they like at any time without fear of attack from people like you."
He got eight years btw.

[Fab]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
Right, this isn't going to make any sense but.

I'm taking slight issue with your attitude to this, Frank. As I said above, I think it's a bit defeatist, and as various civil rights movements have demonstrated it IS possible to change people's mindsets. It's only fifteen years since marital rape was recognised in this country for example.
Personally I try not to put myself at risk of attack and I don't wear anything I would consider "slutty" (though this is subjective and one man's virgin is another man's whore). Nor do I spend hours rubbing people up and then refuse to put out, as it were. BUT if I did choose to go out in a "slutty" outfit, flirt with some bloke, take him home and do all manner of things with him, I have still got the right to say no. People change their minds and that's allowed. In the above scenario nobody would have a problem with the man suddenly changing his mind and deciding to leave, so why is it different the other way round?

Again with the marital rape thing, that’s a change in the law (technically it was interpreting the current law differently, but it has the same outcome), but there’s already a law against rape, what else are you going to do? There may be long term solutions involving better education and bringing boys up differently, but you can't possibly expect them to work for everyone, and it still doesn't affect today.

Of course you have the right to say no, I’m not saying you don’t, but you know that some men won’t accept that you don’t want to have sex with them after you’ve been leading them on all night. It's different because men are generally stronger than women, if a guy doesn't want to have sex with a you then it's a lot easier for him just to fight you off. It’s not right and it’s not fair, but it happens and you know it.

[Fab]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
I think you mean Life of Brian.



Anyway, I was watching this on the news last night and it just depressed me. Yet more evidence of how neanderthal this country is. that was it.

[ramblingrose]

If you went out with your glittery blue nail varnish on are you asking for it? That could be interpreted as a certain signal by certain unpleasant individuals.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Fab
There may be long term solutions involving better education and bringing boys up differently, but you can't possibly expect them to work for everyone, and it still doesn't affect today.



We need to get rid of this "oh poor men, they can't control themselves" myth. That would be a start.

[Herr Lipp]

danny, you're a fucking idiot, you act as if Britain is the only country in teh world with rapists, football hooligans, murderers. fucking grow up will you.

Ciona: that's life I'm afraid. Women are the weaker sex, they need to protect themselves in different ways. It's like mature drivers, they look far ahead to spot trouble coming, rather than relying on their reaction when the trouble occurs. Because they have no chance of defending themselves if things turn ugly, they need to use a brain cell and not go back to that strangers flat.

[Herr Lipp]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
We need to get rid of this "oh poor men, they can't control themselves" myth. That would be a start.

you're missing the fucking point, it's rapists, not men in general that are raping women :rolleyes:

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Fab
if a guy doesn't want to have sex with a you then it's a lot easier for him just to fight you off. It’s not right and it’s not fair, but it happens and you know it.

What I'm saying is that nobody should have to fight anybody off. Fair enough, get pissed off if you've been led to expect something but using force to get it shouldn't come into it.

Also, there are plenty of men out there who are horrified by the idea of rape but have used their physical advantage to coerce women into doing things they didn't want to do. It's insiduous and it's horrible and it happens all the time, but my point is it shouldn't.

[Herr Lipp]

Ciona, you're not really offering an argument, only that people should be nicer.

What The Fuck? Dont you read teh news, the worlds a horrible place. The time has long gone when you could rely on others to help you /protect you. You've gotta be proactive yourself. For women that involves not being such a tease as to bring out the inner rapist in some men

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
you're missing the fucking point, it's rapists, not men in general that are raping women :rolleyes:

Read what I just put about coercion. I'm not saying all men are rapists, but society is such that girls are brought up to believe that in certain circumstances you can't say no, it is your fault and yes, you asked for it.

[Herr Lipp]

case closed.

like I said this survey was worded so it would seem the participants had backwards views on it. but it's clear to see what they were alluding to, and so why these people voted that "women shouldnt tease" or whatever teh fuck it was.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
For women that involves not being such a tease as to bring out the inner rapist in some men

That sort of remark is 99% of the reason I'm a feminist. It is not the responsibility of women to not get raped, it's the responsibility of men not to do it.

[Fab]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
If you went out with your glittery blue nail varnish on are you asking for it? That could be interpreted as a certain signal by certain unpleasant individuals.
Which individuals are we talking about? If you mean I'm asking to get hit on by guys then I'd find it quite amusing but I wouldn't go home with them or anything, and I never go home alone anyway, so I've nothing to worry about.Originally posted by ramblingrose
We need to get rid of this "oh poor men, they can't control themselves" myth. That would be a start. No one's saying "poor men, they can't control themselves", the men who can't control themselves are cunts and deserve no sympathy. We should get rid of them.

[Herr Lipp]

now you're passing the buck, putting the emphasis on the man, when you should be putting the emphasis on what you're doing. It's just common sense.

If you had a fair chance in a fight, then I'd accept your answer, but as you haven't, you need to wake up (not you personally, these girls that tempt fate)/

[Fab]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
That sort of remark is 99% of the reason I'm a feminist. It is not the responsibility of women to not get raped, it's the responsibility of men not to do it. right, but rapists exist!! It shouldn't be my responsibility to not get my house burgled, and it should be the burglar's responsibility not to do it, but he will if there's no alarm and the door's left unlocked so I'm vigilant about home security.

Ideals are just that, ideal, but we're living in the real world until we can find a way out.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
That sort of remark is 99% of the reason I'm a feminist. It is not the responsibility of women to not get raped, it's the responsibility of men not to do it.
All men do not have this "inner rapist" in them, thats crap.

And it is the responsibility of both men not to do it and women not to get themselves in that situation.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
now you're passing the buck, putting the emphasis on the man, when you should be putting the emphasis on what you're doing. It's just common sense.

If you had a fair chance in a fight, then I'd accept your answer, but as you haven't, you need to wake up (not you personally, these girls that tempt fate)/


Men are the ones who do the raping, the onus is on them. That's like saying that old people are to blame for being mugged because they go out looking frail and vulnerable, what the fuck else are they meant to do?

I don't care if a girl is dressed like a stripper, I don't care if she flirts with you, I don't care if she kisses you, touches you, whatever, if you put your penis in that woman against her will you are a rapist and you are responsible for committing that act.

[Jackal]

I've only had one man want to force me to do something after I teased a little too much and that taught me to never tease again.

I have had a man follow me on a walk, then catch up to me and grab my butt too, in the middle of the day.

So I don't trust anyone. I don't help anyone either because now they attack people who are trying to be good citizens.

I don't like being afraid and having to watch out and keep an eye on my surroundings but that's just the way it is.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Fab
Ideals are just that, ideal, but we're living in the real world until we can find a way out.

I thought this was an idealogical argument.

[Fab]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
I thought this was an idealogical argument. of course not, if it was then no raping would occur.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
All men do not have this "inner rapist" in them, thats crap.

And it is the responsibility of both men not to do it and women not to get themselves in that situation.

I didn't say the "inner rapist" thing and I agree with you.
In practical terms I have to agree with the second point, but I still believe in a person's right to say no under any circumstances.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Fab
of course not, if it was then no raping would occur.

I've done a mistake. You know what I mean though?

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Jackal
I don't like being afraid and having to watch out and keep an eye on my surroundings but that's just the way it is.

For now, but I'd like to think that could change one day.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Fab
Which individuals are we talking about? If you mean I'm asking to get hit on by guys then I'd find it quite amusing but I wouldn't go home with them or anything, and I never go home alone anyway, so I've nothing to worry about.

I was just trying to stop it being a men vs women thing with that question, it didn't really have any relevance to anything.

You never go home alone, eh? You fast cat.

[Fab]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
I was just trying to stop it being a men vs women thing with that question, it didn't really have any relevance to anything.

You never go home alone, eh? You fast cat. I always stay over at my ex's house.

[ramblingrose]

My ex sometimes stays over at my house, in the next room, with his new girlfriend.

[Fab]

that must be so wonderful for you. you should take a different guy back to yours everytime your ex stays over. muahaha. ok, he'd think you're a slag but it'd be quite funny.

[ramblingrose]

I can't say I haven't considered it. Annoyingly enough the couple of times my not-boyfriend has stayed over my ex hasn't been there and neither has my ex-friend.

[Herr Lipp]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
Men are the ones who do the raping, the onus is on them. That's like saying that old people are to blame for being mugged because they go out looking frail and vulnerable, what the fuck else are they meant to do?

I didnt and have never said women are to blame for getting raped dont put fucking words in my mouth man. I SAID they need to fucking clue themselves up to avoid getting raped. Why can;t you accept that? It's got nothing to do with "men shouldn't be rapists" that's a fucking sitter, but if women want to avoid getting raped they shouldnt send out the wrong signals. Sheesh you're not looking at this unbiasedly at all.

[ramblingrose]

I never claimed to be unbiased Fraser, I declared my feminism pretty much from the off.

[Herr Lipp]

I know! I applaud that. But I can;t discuss this any further with you. Toodles!

P.S. Dont get raped, ya hear!

[ramblingrose]

I'll do my best to avoid it, yep.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
I didn't say the "inner rapist" thing and I agree with you.
In practical terms I have to agree with the second point, but I still believe in a person's right to say no under any circumstances.
I know you didnt, i was just saying.
Of course a person has the right to say no. I wish women would say no more often, but women MUST be made aware of what their actions do, and realise the dangers this can bring.

[ramblingrose]

Of course, it's like telling children not to go look at Duncan Preston's guinea pigs, you have to use your judgement about who's an axe murderer or whatever.

I've calmed down a bit now but I burned my vegan soup getting carried away there.

[Jackal]

So, do men usually just walk around during the day and night not afraid at all? Do you worry going from a store to your car alone at night in good neighborhoods?

I assume the answer is that men aren't afraid until they are being attacked. Is this true?

[Fab]

can we have cyber make-up sex?

[Fab]

Originally posted by Jackal
So, do men usually just walk around during the day and night not afraid at all? Do you worry going from a store to your car alone at night in good neighborhoods?

I assume the answer is that men aren't afraid until they are being attacked. Is this true? i would much rather not walk around where Ciona lives on my own at night.

[Herr Lipp]

Originally posted by Jackal

I assume the answer is that men aren't afraid until they are being attacked. Is this true?

I'm only paranoid if I've been a) smoking weed (naturally and b)I'm in a dodgy area. If I'm in a safe enough place, no I'm not scared. Even if I walk past a crew, say. But obviously if they start shouting at you your asshole starts twitching a bit, but the thing is me and a male friend of mine could hold our own a lot better than two females. It's really just a physical thing, most of you women are weak!!!

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Fab
i would much rather not walk around where Ciona lives on my own at night.

I'm not quite sure what to make of this remark. Or who you're trying to have cyber make-up sex with.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Jackal
So, do men usually just walk around during the day and night not afraid at all? Do you worry going from a store to your car alone at night in good neighborhoods?

I assume the answer is that men aren't afraid until they are being attacked. Is this true?

I don't know if they're not scared, I just think it's harder for them to admit it sometimes.

[DrHibbert]

Not usually scared at all, no. And I've thought about this before. To me, it is a great luxury to be able to walk around at night without generally fearing anything (until I get attacked, yeah pretty much...). I can understand how stupid it is that girls can't do that or feel a lot of fear if they do. But to answer the question, it's very rare that I'm scared walking around at night. Even if it's a particularly dodgy area, I'll sometimes have a knife on me and I don't have much for people to steal anyway. There is no rape factor like there is for girls.

[Fab]

true story...

[ramblingrose]

Elkie Brooks is gagged in the back of that van.

But anyway, I've just had to walk home on my own and thanks to all this I was very fucking jumpy. I had the $64000 question of whether to go the long dodgy way or the short dodgy way which involves some steps and alleyways. I went for the short way because it's better lit. And I had no choice but to walk home alone, I couldn't have got a taxi because it's not far enough and they won't take you, it's only ten minutes walk.

[Six Ways]

I've lost track of this thread totally. But I love the van frank, as you presumably would expect. I hope you love the wierd track I gmailed you.

[ramblingrose]

The cat came out wrong. It looks rubbish.

[Herr Lipp]

Originally posted by DrHibbert
Even if it's a particularly dodgy area, I'll sometimes have a knife on me and I don't have much for people to steal anyway. There is no rape factor like there is for girls.

Good man.

[Jackal]

I use to carry a knife with brass knuckles for the handle in my purse until 9/11, then I took it out because I was flying somewhere. I should put it back.

I pulled that same knife on someone on the last day of 11th grade! :) Self-defense.

I always dreamed of being really good with knives, like throwing them up and catching them or flipping them all about.

[Jackal]

It sucks to be weak too. Once Oprah had a show to teach women how to better protect themselves, but then my husband said, "Any guy would still be stronger than you." So of course I had to try it out. And he won every round. :(

[Herr Lipp]

Yeah that sucks Allison. But as you said in teh bullying thread, you've kicked a few guys in teh balls in teh past, that's probably your best bet.

They had those sort of brass knuckles in WW2! Knuckle Dusters are illegal over here, my friend has one though, I really want one!

[Jackal]

I'm pretty sure they are illegal here too.

But since everyone can buy tasors now, you can be shocked and out of it before you even see it coming. Great, I'm so paranoid.

[Herr Lipp]

Tasers are so badass. Stun guns are also good, but why get face-to-face with your assailant when you can fuck them up from a distance!

[DrHibbert]

Like remote-controlled detonations? Proximity bombs, James Bond style? Surely you would be more clever than a pistol.

[Herr Lipp]

Nah I'd stick with my 7 metre extension Taser thanks!

This bloke offered to let the police test them on him (the police don;t use them over here, it was just research) and he was on the floor in less than a second fitting like a bitch!

[DrHibbert]

They're having controversies over here about statistics of people having heart attacks when tasered. People that like them and/or own stock in the companies that make them are furiously adamant that it isn't true, though.

[DrHibbert]

7 meters!?! Good lord, I want one of those.

[Herr Lipp]

I wouldn;t be surprised if it affected people with dicky hearts. You ever been electrocuted? I put my hands on a sheep electric fence once to see what it was like, lets just say I wont be doing it again any time soon!

[DrHibbert]

I don't remember being electrocuted very badly. Last year a lamp electrocuted me a bit, but it wasn't a very strong current.

[Herr Lipp]

High Voltage must feel different to a High Current electric shock. Where's a physicist when you need one!

I read about this boy who got killed on holiday. A streetlamp fell over and landed in the pool the boy was swimming in, the current boiled his blood in seconds. That sounds fucking awful.

[Six Ways]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
High Voltage must feel different to a High Current electric shock. Where's a physicist when you need one!

Here.

It's a combination of voltage and current that does damage. If you have really high either, that can do damage, but a moderately high dose of each is more damaging. For instance, you get a shock off the mains due to current, not voltage; 230V is nothing. It's a relatively high current though, although it's very unlikely to kill you unless you stay attached to the thing.

Also, high voltage is easier to make than high current.

[Fab]

Originally posted by DrHibbert
They're having controversies over here about statistics of people having heart attacks when tasered. People that like them and/or own stock in the companies that make them are furiously adamant that it isn't true, though. The thing is is that the alternative is to shoot them, lesser of two evils. Though I assume tasers are often used in situations where guns would be a bit extreme, I dunno. Maybe this should be in the police thred.

[Jackal]

Have you seen those new Xbox 360 commercials that are banned? My husband showed them to me, very funny and clever.

[Fab]

I've not heard of that, could you procure a link to occur?

[Six Ways]

Originally posted by Fab
could you procure a link to occur?

I don't understand this phrase :cry:

Oooh! Frank! Look at my new location!

[Fab]

Procure is legal jargon for encourage. I was trying to think what that spoonerism was the other day, I keep forgetting, so thankyou, now I'll remember.

[Nak Nak]

Been electrocuted twice. Once when was about 11 when i was plugging something in, another time when the lawnmower cord snapped. Just got jolted though, no fits or anything.

[Herr Lipp]

ooh the lawnmower can be dangerous! but my dad prefers to use his common sense rather than a circuit breaker.

[ramblingrose]

what are those things that shoot a big sticky spider's web thing? I think the police should have those.

[Six Ways]

No Ciona, that's in Predator.

Seriously though idunno.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Six Ways
No Ciona, that's in Predator.

[Barbarian Love Elephant]

If you just mine the regeneration spots in the temple well theres your problem solved

[Static Split Screen]

I used to carry around pepper spray, but I lost it somewhere.

In the third post or something ramblingrose said one of the options of the survey is "And a third believe she is responsible to some degree if she haas clearly failed to say No (sic)." If they say no, and teased and such, I don't see how it is rape. They may have not wanted to do it if they were under the influence, but how is the guy supposed to know?

I think it's ultimately the rapists fault if someone says no and they ignore them. End of story. But, I do think it's irresponsible of women to put themselves in those kinds of situations, because they should realize that some people can lose control. There's been rape for centuries an centuries, and there'll be rape for many more.

[Fab]

Originally posted by Static Split Screen
If they say no... I don't see how it is rape. please say you meant if they don't say no.

[Static Split Screen]

I did, don't worry. I need to proofread my posts more.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Static Split Screen
I used to carry around pepper spray, but I lost it somewhere.

In the third post or something ramblingrose said one of the options of the survey is "And a third believe she is responsible to some degree if she haas clearly failed to say No (sic)." If they say no, and teased and such, I don't see how it is rape. They may have not wanted to do it if they were under the influence, but how is the guy supposed to know?

I think it's ultimately the rapists fault if someone says no and they ignore them. End of story. But, I do think it's irresponsible of women to put themselves in those kinds of situations, because they should realize that some people can lose control. There's been rape for centuries an centuries, and there'll be rape for many more.
I demand some clarity on this. Not from you particularly, i just happen to be quoting your post.

To me, rape is worse than murder and no fucker should EVER get away with such a henious act.

Right, most rapes (apparently) get unreported. Why?

1. The shame. - Which is ridiculous, considering what they have been through. I love ballsy women, and this is a reason why. I could not respect a woman who doesnt report a rape, because she has no respect for herself. I just wish they all had the balls to come forward.

2. The difficulty of proof. - This is where you need to put faith into the authorities, with their specialised divisions. Im sure they do all they can, give them your trust.

3. The fear that aqnyone thinks it is a fake claim. - Easiest one to sort out. The only thing worst than a rapist is a woman who falsely cries rape. Not only is that bitch doing bad to her false aggressor, but she makes it harder for women who really have suffered, by sullying a womans right to claim against the crime.

The simple solution to this, (and this entirely morally correct), is by allowing the alleged rapist the entire right to be anoymous as much as the alleged victim is, until the verdict is passed. That would prevent all false accusations and give genuine victims more freedom and security to come forward.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
I could not respect a woman who doesnt report a rape, because she has no respect for herself.

Getting raped tends to have a negative effect on your self-respect. Also if you've just been violated the idea of all the examinations is rather off-putting.

[Jackal]

Not really, not if it will help catch the motherfucker.

I've never been raped though, so it may be different in reality.

[Fab]

I imagine that just after you've been violated, the last thing you want is some more strangers prodding and examining you and taking swabs and stuff.

[ramblingrose]

Those sort of exams aren't fun at the best of times.
Also it's one thing if you've been attacked by a maniacal stranger but most rapes are committed by someone known to the victim, and it can take a while for it to sink in. A lot of people just want to go home and stand in a boiling shower for several days, and reporting what's happened isn't that high on the list of priorities.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
Getting raped tends to have a negative effect on your self-respect. Also if you've just been violated the idea of all the examinations is rather off-putting.
I understand that, but its no excuse. Where is the anger, and the sense of justice to get the bastard behind bars? So, because the examination might be a bit off-putting, you let the fucker get away with it? Unbelievable. I dont how women can make a claim for equality, if they are that lily-livered.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
I understand that, but its no excuse. Where is the anger, and the sense of justice to get the bastard behind bars? So, because the examination might be a bit off-putting, you let the fucker get away with it? Unbelievable. I dont how women can make a claim for equality, if they are that lily-livered.

It's got nothing to do with gender. Male rape goes unreported at least as often.
Anger isn't neccessarily what you'll be feeling after something like that happens, I hope you don't get the chance to find that out for yourself.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
It's got nothing to do with gender. Male rape goes unreported at least as often.
Anger isn't neccessarily what you'll be feeling after something like that happens, I hope you don't get the chance to find that out for yourself.
I doubt that. Rape of females is MASSIVELY more common than rape of males, and so of course the number of unreported female rapes is gonna be HUGE in comparison to the number of female rapes. Besides, virtually all male rapes occur on the gay scene, and so the victims often have more in common with females than straight males anyway.

The number of straight male rapes is so small as to be insignificant on the large scale. Prison is of course an exception to this, but that is a whole different ball game.

Anger is certainly what someone should be feeling after that, and at least the sense of justice not just for themselves. If they let someone get away with it and do it to someone else, their selfish actions are being detremental to society. Keeping it bottled in is only going to disturb them more, affect their relationships and suffer from lack of closure. Not reporting it is bad for everyone except the rapist, and I cant repsect such failings. That doesnt mean I dont understand the difficulties in reporting it, but it is by far the lesser of two evils.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
virtually all male rapes occur on the gay scene, and so the victims often have more in common with females than straight males anyway.



What on earth do you mean by that?

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
What on earth do you mean by that?
gay men often have more traits in common with females than straight men. Its fairly straightforward.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
gay men often have more traits in common with females than straight men. Its fairly straightforward.

What "traits" are these? I'm not trying to be awkward, I'm interested.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
What "traits" are these? I'm not trying to be awkward, I'm interested.
What? Dont you know many gay men?

The traits tend to be less macho and testosterone-fuelled and more interests in traditional female pursuits like chick-flicks, fashion and beauty etc etc.

Yes, this is generalising, but then we are talking traits, not what every gay man is like.

It really is very simple.

[Mary Alice]

well I should start off by saying that rape is disgusting, along the lines Danny ways saying, and I don't think any raped woman was ever "asking for it"

But I also feel just as strongly that people need to take responsibility for what they do while drunk. I mean if a drunk guy hit a girl you wouldn't say well "that's only when he's drunk it doesn't matter or reflect on him" Or if someone cheated on you the excuse "well, I was drunk" doesn't really change the hurt you feel that it happened.

If you do something stupid while you're drunk that you'd regret, it still happened and no excuses are going to change that. And while some actions may just be a funny story a year later, some may have consequences that last your whole life.

You know before you get drunk what your boundaries are and what situation you'll be putting yourself in. If it could be a dangerous situation and you know not to trust youself in a situation watch how much you drink, space the drinks out, and make sure to eat something - then you'll have more control over yourself. It's not that hard.

I'm a feminist too - and for another day's discussion I wonder why it is so out of style now, it's so uncool now a days - but I think feminism is about having a respect for yourself. I agree with Fiona's ideal world being one where no one is in danger. And I know two girls who have been raped - one was 15 :( As stupid as it sounds they were pretty clueless about sex and were never told you could say no. I think feminism is a good mindset to teach girls that you can say no and are in control of what happens to your body. But part of respecting yourself as well and being in control is being wise with where you are when you get drunk and not placing yourself in a situation you're going to regret later.

[ramblingrose]

You've got a point that often gay men's interests would overlap women's in a venn diagram, but when it comes to their attitudes towards their sexuality I'd say gay men have more in common with straight men than women of any persuasion. That said, shame, fear and guilt are more common emotions in the immediate aftermath of rape than anger, whatever the gender or orientation of the unfortunate victim.

[Herr Lipp]

Hollyoaks - Male Rape Pioneers? I think.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
Hollyoaks - Male Rape Pioneers? I think.

I'd forgotten about that. I can't remember it very well, did they handle it sensitively and responsibly, or did they sort of forget about it after a couple of days and go back to stupid speeded-up sequences of girls in their underwear with a chart hit of the day in the background?

[Herr Lipp]

They had to show it late at night. He just got busted hard by 4 geezers, proper made me feel ill!

IT was handled well I thought, showed his mental decline over like 2 months.

Then came the saucy ladies and poptastic hits. Oooh Yeeeahhh!

[Jackal]

I'm all for equal rights and treatment, but I don't think I would ever call myself a feminist.

Define what you 2 mean by being a feminist exactly.

[Herr Lipp]

wrong thread? Im a masculinist: Grrr!

[ramblingrose]

To me, being a feminist is about trying to achieve equality for both sexes. I suppose really that makes me a "personist", but while I'm not saying that men neccessarily have it easy, women are discriminated against every day in hundreds of subtle ways, and hundreds of years of male domination can't be done away with so quickly. Also, around the world women are oppressed in so many horrible ways I think there is still a real need for feminism as opposed to my localised "let's all be nice to each other" thing.
Defining myself as a feminist does not mean that I dislike men, wish them any ill or blame them for everything, and I'm lucky enough to know a lot of men who I would say are feminists too without even knowing it. I don't think being quite girly makes me any less of a feminist either. Celebrate your differences and embrace your similarities and all that.
Erm, this doesn't make a lot of sense, sorry. I'm fairly close to Naomi Wolf or Susan Faludi if you're looking for what kind of feminist I am.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Thats the problem with feminism, by its very definition, it isnt about equality. Its another form of bias which as bad as the chauvanists.

Neither are any good.

[Herr Lipp]

Women get discriminated against. Boo-hoo. What about all the times women abuse their positions as women? I.E. getting blokes to buy them drinks, preferential seating on busses!! Eh?!?! What about those Ciona?!?! ha ha.

Get over it girls. Women can make just as much money as men these days. Unfortunately if they want a kid they have to fuck off for 6 months, and usually longer. Blame God.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
Women can make just as much money as men these days.
Women tend to get paid less for the same top jobs, but you do have a very good point.

Feminism fails to address all the benefits that women get over men, but then, as I said its totally biased.

An equally qualified woman would get the job over a man simply due to gender. Nobody cares for the stats how many men work for the company, but they do for the women and companies want to boost those stats.

Women have it better in some things, men have it better in others. Neither is right, neither is equality.

[ramblingrose]

For me it isn't about money or traditional (masculine?) definitions of success, it's about recognising people's value as people, and not basing their right to certain priviledges (for example the right to walk home in the dark without being told they're asking to get raped) on whether they've got a penis or not.

[Jackal]

I think every woman needs to stand up for herself everytime discrimination occurs. I'm not sure it should be a reason to form a group.



I've never tried to get free food, drinks or jewelry etc. from a man. But acting lady-like and using great manners will get you anywhere. I don't see any harm in using femininity to my advantage. It's a strength, not a weakness.

[Static Split Screen]

I think any rapist who's caught should be castrated. End of story. And not the medication they can stop taking at anytime. I know the UK does the irreversible injection, which is good, but a part of me wants them physically castrated too.

I've never been raped, but I've had a case of mild molestation, and believe me, the last thing you want to do is have to tell anyone about it. I can't imagine how hard it would be for a rape victim. It's irrational and illogical, but it's a very common reaction. And many people who are molested or raped and DO report it aren't taken seriously. That happened to a friend of mine. The guy said it was consentual and didn't use any force on her, and that was that. Nevermind the fucker sat on her chest and ignored the fact she said no about 20 times.

[Herr Lipp]

My girlfriend got grabbed round the crotch by a Kosovan once. Fucking gimp, I didnt even know her at the time, but I think if I saw one of those dirty fucks doing that to any bird, I would glass the shit out of them.

Sometimes I WISH I was a bird man. They SO get preferential treatment. My cousin has had 3 really well-paid jobs since she left school (with A levels) but to be fair to her, she's not a genius, but she does have a lovely personality and she's really pretty, and I'm almost certain that had something to do with her walking into these £20k jobs with barely any experience beforehand.

[Herr Lipp]

for really pretty also see: big boobs. It's well easy to wear a low-cut top on the day of the interview, know what I'm saying? And if there are women on the interview panel, it's been proven that people instinctively like/trust beautiful people more than ugly ones. Dont ask me the psychology behind it but its definitely true!

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Jackal
I think every woman needs to stand up for herself everytime discrimination occurs. I'm not sure it should be a reason to form a group.



I've never tried to get free food, drinks or jewelry etc. from a man. But acting lady-like and using great manners will get you anywhere. I don't see any harm in using femininity to my advantage. It's a strength, not a weakness.
Just like every man should stand up for it.

You use it to your advantage, cunts use their strength to rape women to their advantage. Its about time women did more for men as payback. Now THATS equality.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Its about time women did more for men as payback. Now THATS equality.

Such as what? Payback for what?

And Fraser, you've got a point about tits/interview panels etc, I found out (when they sacked me) that I actually got my first proper job the minute I walked in the building (it was an ad agency therefore full of shallow wankers) by being the best looking candidate, but I was horrified as I don't go to work for the benefit of middle-aged men's eyes. It backfired on them though, I dressed up for the first week and then dressed like a bag lady for the rest of my tenure.
It's not an advantage to most women, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would rather be appreciated for my personality and stuff rather than the tightness of my top.

[Herr Lipp]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
backfired on them though, I dressed up for the first week and then dressed like a bag lady for the rest of my tenure.

:lol: wicked.

I try and smile lots in interviews. I hate it when you get an asshole on the panel though.

[ramblingrose]

Yeah, then you just think "fuck you, I don't want this job if it involves working for you", but then they nearly always offer you it if you'd decided you didn't want it.
I got offered a job once at the interview, but the woman told me I'd have to "buck my ideas up" about the way I dressed. I just stared at her cos I was wearing a suit and everything, and she informed me sniffily that "we do not allow trousers in our organisation".
I didn't take the job.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
Such as what? Payback for what?
Getting things for free. Women should do more for men.

[ramblingrose]

What "things"? Seriously, I don't know what you mean.

[Herr Lipp]

Pfft what a fucking twat. i work in Recruitment and people don;t realise that unprofessional interviews reflect so badly on the company, as you've found out. It's good that we here are an Equal Opps employer, I'd hate to not get a post at a private firm because a buxom 18 year old was also at the interviews!

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Read the thread. I cant be bothered to repeat things over and over. Its very straightforward.

[Herr Lipp]

I don;t think women owe us anything (yet). But society hasn't been notably anti-women for ages.

[ramblingrose]

My favourite interviewer was the one who had enormous backcombed hair and a sort of inch-thick death mask of makeup. She gruffly asked me if I objected to doing abortions on a Saturday morning and then pushed me out of her office. I didn't really want the job and I think she could tell, and I didn't really hide my disappointment at being dragged away from a Kovac filled episode of ER in the waiting room when she came to interview me.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Read the thread. I cant be bothered to repeat things over and over. Its very straightforward.

I don't get free drinks from men. If a bloke offers to buy me a drink I'll accept, but then I'll buy him one back. I have always paid my own way and my friends are the same. The only man who I am indebted to is my dad.
And what "more" do you want women to do for you? Maybe I live in a paralell universe but I don't understand where your resentment comes from.

[Herr Lipp]

You are a nice girl then, Ciona.

Can;t tell you the number of slags that I've heard in queues for nightclubs going:

"oh, but saaaaaarrrrrrraaaaaaaahhhhh I aint got no muunnn-eeeeee!"
"dont worry, bird, we'll get some blokes to buy us some!"

[ramblingrose]

I'm just trying to be a nice person is all, and I don't like feeling like I owe someone something.

I can't spell though. Paralel. Parrallell. Parallell. bugger.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
If a bloke offers to buy me a drink I'll accept, but then I'll buy him one back.

I should also explain that I would only accept if I actually wanted to talk to the person offering the drink, otherwise I would politely decline.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
I don't get free drinks from men. If a bloke offers to buy me a drink I'll accept, but then I'll buy him one back. I have always paid my own way and my friends are the same. The only man who I am indebted to is my dad.
And what "more" do you want women to do for you? Maybe I live in a paralell universe but I don't understand where your resentment comes from.
No, you dont understand at all.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak

"oh, but saaaaaarrrrrrraaaaaaaahhhhh I aint got no muunnn-eeeeee!"


Do these girls ever say "You! Yer muvver! Yer faaaahmly! Yer generaaaaay-shan!" when annoyed?

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
No, you dont understand at all.

Well, explain it in language suitable for one as moronic as I then!

[Herr Lipp]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
Do these girls ever say "You! Yer muvver! Yer faaaahmly! Yer generaaaaay-shan!" when annoyed?

yeah, all the time :O

Foul mouthed ladies are a bit of a turn off to me.

[ramblingrose]

There's nothing wrong with a bit of creative swearing.

[Herr Lipp]

oh yeah dont get me wrong. it's just I find tarts shouting "Oi! You f'ing c! Dont be such a c!" to be completely fucking bell-ends.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
Well, explain it in language suitable for one as moronic as I then!
Whats the point? You'll just play dumb again, and Im not in the mood for silly games.

[ramblingrose]

I'm not playing dumb, I've re-read everything you've posted in this thread and I swear I haven't a clue what you're on about.

[ramblingrose]

I don't mean you haven't made any sense, I mean this "payback" thing btw.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Thats patently obvious.

[ramblingrose]

I'm not trying to goad you, I'm asking you nicely if you'll explain what you mean because I don't understand. If I'm guilty of taking this free stuff I want to know, because I would then feel obliged to make it up to any male I might have inadvertantly taken advantage of.

[Herr Lipp]

In all the replies Danny's made since the comment he could've just explained it by now!

[ramblingrose]

argh! don't wind him up any more than I accidentally already have, I want an answer!

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
I'm not trying to goad you, I'm asking you nicely if you'll explain what you mean because I don't understand. If I'm guilty of taking this free stuff I want to know, because I would then feel obliged to make it up to any male I might have inadvertantly taken advantage of.
I wasnt talking about you specifically. Why worry about it?

[ramblingrose]

I'm not worried about it, I'm just interested.

[Herr Lipp]

You know with all this build-up the answer is gonna seem tame in comparison.

Much like the programme Space Cadets about to be shown, I imagine.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Fine. You be interested then.

Oh, and no one is winding me up.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
You know with all this build-up the answer is gonna seem tame in comparison.

Much like the programme Space Cadets about to be shown, I imagine.

I thought that sounded ace and then I found out that Johnny Vaughn is in it so I'm assuming it's going to be cack.

[Herr Lipp]

I will still check it out.

Danny you're such a lemon. Why not just spill the beans?

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
Danny you're such a lemon. Why not just spill the beans?
I have no beans to spill, moron. Its too complicated for your little brain, I wont confuse you.

[Herr Lipp]

ooh touchy touchy. someones put your knickers in a twist :lol:

p.s. your post translates to: I tried to be clever, now people are questioning it, but I'm full of shit. Let's go on the defensive.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
ooh touchy touchy. someones put your knickers in a twist :lol:

p.s. your post translates to: I tried to be clever, now people are questioning it, but I'm full of shit. Let's go on the defensive.
Hmm, once again you have failed to demonstrate any comprehension.

Merely stating your inability to comprehend the subject matter does not in any shape or form represent my mood being "touchy" in any way. Well done for making a fool of yourself yet again.

PS, as per usual, you are wrong. Dont bother trying again, your brain simply cant grasp the reality.

[Herr Lipp]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Merely stating your inability to comprehend the subject matter does not in any shape or form represent my mood being "touchy" in any way. Well done for making a fool of yourself yet again.


shut up you piece of shit you called me an oh-so-hurtful name hence the touchy comment.

I couldnt give a fuck about your feelings you mug. You've just chatted shit about this subject, been asked about it by two people, yet won;t elaborate. Stop bullshitting or just fuck off completely you twat

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
shut up you piece of shit you called me an oh-so-hurtful name hence the touchy comment.

I couldnt give a fuck about your feelings you mug. You've just chatted shit about this subject, been asked about it by two people, yet won;t elaborate. Stop bullshitting or just fuck off completely you twat
Now THAT is being wound up! Such wonderful ironic hypocrisy. Youre just a pure bullshit machine. I must give you credit on maintaining 100% bullshit, thats fantastic consistency :yes:

Poor little chav-scum's tiny brain has exploded. Fucking hilarious! :lol:

[Herr Lipp]

I swear that much at the dinner table.

Nice way of dodging the point in hand btw :no: :lol:

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
I swear that much at the dinner table.

Nice way of dodging the point in hand btw :no: :lol:
I believe you would be that much of a moron.

I had no point to dodge, so youre wrong again. But hey, youre used to that.

[Herr Lipp]

Thanks for that post. I'll print off a copy to take to bed tonight in case I cant sleep and need some reading material :zzz:

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
Thanks for that post. I'll print off a copy to take to bed tonight in case I cant sleep and need some reading material :zzz:
Maybe you can read about how not to double post!

[Herr Lipp]

What are you talking about?

:D

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Awww, poor chav-scum still doesnt understand! Too complicated for your tiny brain!

[Herr Lipp]

Hardly. I see no double post, therefore I didnt double post.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Wrong. Thats poor logic, chav-scum. Just because you dont see one, doesnt mean you didnt do it.

And who said you did, moron? What a guilty conscience! :lol:

[Herr Lipp]

Touché!

[Herr Lipp]

[/SARCASM]

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Wow, what wit! :zzz:

[Herr Lipp]

Fitting to the calibre of ones opponent.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
Fitting to the calibre of ones opponent.
Yup, a weak reply to a calibre as strong as I!

[Jackal]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Just like every man should stand up for it.

You use it to your advantage, cunts use their strength to rape women to their advantage. Its about time women did more for men as payback. Now THATS equality.

He said it to me, but I don't understand either. I wasn't saying I go around flirting and insinuating that I'll fuck someone for anything. Just that some men only want women to smile and act cute.
Those are the men that instead of going head to head with and trying to change their minds about women, you "play the game" to get further with them than acting like you would with a man who respects women.

What are you dishing out that you want payback for? And what payback are you speaking of?

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Jackal
He said it to me, but I don't understand either. I wasn't saying I go around flirting and insinuating that I'll fuck someone for anything. Just that some men only want women to smile and act cute.
Those are the men that instead of going head to head with and trying to change their minds about women, you "play the game" to get further with them than acting like you would with a man who respects women.

What are you dishing out that you want payback for? And what payback are you speaking of?
You be unfair with them, they be unfair with you. Its hypocritical to whinge about men doing bad things when "playing the game", when you do the same.

It makes you as bad as them.

[Jackal]

Woah! I never said I was a feminist and I wasn't complaining about men at all. I don't hate gender roles or the expectations of women by men or society. That's the way it is. It's every woman for herself in my opinion.

I don't deal with any men except family members and friends. And store clerks I guess.

But I did smile and act kindly to an elderly man recently and he did my order before the others lying on his desk. And I didn't have the intention of him doing that either, but my husband said, "Way to use your charm." So maybe men think we are using sexuality when we are just being nice.

I meant it's just easier to act cute than to try to get respect from some men because they have their minds made up already. I'm not trying to get things or stuff.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
You be unfair with them, they be unfair with you. Its hypocritical to whinge about men doing bad things when "playing the game", when you do the same.

It makes you as bad as them.

Um, I don't really think that you can compare a bit of hair-twirling to get a free drink with raping someone.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Jackal
Woah! I never said I was a feminist and I wasn't complaining about men at all. I don't hate gender roles or the expectations of women by men or society. That's the way it is. It's every woman for herself in my opinion.

I don't deal with any men except family members and friends. And store clerks I guess.

But I did smile and act kindly to an elderly man recently and he did my order before the others lying on his desk. And I didn't have the intention of him doing that either, but my husband said, "Way to use your charm." So maybe men think we are using sexuality when we are just being nice.

I meant it's just easier to act cute than to try to get respect from some men because they have their minds made up already. I'm not trying to get things or stuff.

As well as it is every man for himself, and that selfish attitude is where the system falls down, and inequalites take place.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
Um, I don't really think that you can compare a bit of hair-twirling to get a free drink with raping someone.
Why not? Whos says it is just a bit of hair-twirling to get a free drink? They are all inequalities that feed off each other.

The comparison of evils is entirely fair.

[Jackal]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
As well as it is every man for himself, and that selfish attitude is where the system falls down, and inequalites take place.

I see.

Every woman and man should take care of their own wishes, not with deviant intent upon the other.

OMG! It's the Golden Rule! :)

It does get a little "ify" trying to think up a scenario in which case a girl does deserve to get raped. The lines get a little fuzzy around the edges.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Jackal
It does get a little "ify" trying to think up a scenario in which case a girl does deserve to get raped.
Then why be so stupid as to do it?

You dont see at all.

[Jackal]

That had nothing to do with what you said.

And I never came up with a scenario in which anyone would deserve to get raped. Not that anyone cares. I just wondered if I could think of one.

[Jackal]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
As well as it is every man for himself, and that selfish attitude is where the system falls down, and inequalites take place.

I thought I saw. But now I'm wondering what system fails and what inequalities take place.

First I thought the system was how the sexes get along and that the inequalitiy was rape.

Now I'm not sure...God forbid if you explain anything.

Eagerly awaiting a super-kind answer.:-D

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Jackal
That had nothing to do with what you said.
I know it didnt, thats why I wondered why you said it.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Jackal
I thought I saw. But now I'm wondering what system fails and what inequalities take place.

First I thought the system was how the sexes get along and that the inequalitiy was rape.

Now I'm not sure...God forbid if you explain anything.

Eagerly awaiting a super-kind answer.:-D
:zzz:

here we go again.

the whole system of relationships fail, and the inequalites of abusing the other. (ie "hair-twirling" to get a free drink, men paying for meals in restaurants and rape etc etc)

is EVERYBODY FUCKING CLEAR NOW?

[Herr Lipp]

Trying to fob off your disjointed theories as a complete system of thought? pfft you need a few more years in college I think.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
Trying to fob off your disjointed theories as a complete system of thought? pfft you need a few more years in college I think.
No, Im not.
Pfft, youre wrong again. How predictable.

[Jackal]

I was right then!:)