Smoking Ban In Pubs

[Herr Lipp]

I think they should leave it how it is. Fuck all these nincompoops complaining about second hand smoke. You could get run over by a bus tomorrow, and who really is bothered about the extra 5 years after age 70? You'll just be subject to fraudulent tradesman trying to do you a new patio for just 11 thou.

Anyway, your views? Irishfolk have already had the ban HA HA!

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
I think they should leave it how it is. Fuck all these nincompoops complaining about second hand smoke. You could get run over by a bus tomorrow, and who really is bothered about the extra 5 years after age 70? You'll just be subject to fraudulent tradesman trying to do you a new patio for just 11 thou.

Anyway, your views? Irishfolk have already had the ban HA HA!
Lets face facts, cigs and alcohol go together like a house on fire. You gonna have a place that sells booze, then cigarettes should be allowed.

If these wankers really wanted to "protect" people, then why not make some pubs smoking and some non? Going from one extreme to the other with a blanket ban is utterly stupid.

Bye bye English pubs, hello sitting with your mates in the living room, cos thats whats gonna happen.

Mind you, you could get away with smoking there after the ban. They havent got a clue how theyre gonna police it, and Ireland has only had 4 prosecutions which leads you to believe that people are just smoking away regardless.

[Herr Lipp]

Yeah man. And from the food point of view, there have been Non-Smoking sections in restaurants and pubs restaurants for ages.

The Irish ive spoken to have said they preferred it before in some aspects. Not lease because all you can smell in pubs now is spilled beer and farts. Nice. I happen to really really really love the smell of my Aunty's old school pub.

[Fab]

As a non smoker I think there should be an incentive for bars to have a non smoking policy, such as lower licensing fees (since they'd probably suffer from a loss in revenue). I don't smoke and it annoys me greatly that I stink after an evening at the pub, but if other people want to then let them, as long as there are viable alternatives for people like me. There's only one non-smoking pub around Headingly where I usually go for a drink, and it's always so full you're lucky to find a table, let alone a chair to sit at it with.

[Herr Lipp]

Newsflash: your clothes aren;t gonna be smelling as sweet as roses if you go out to non-smoking places. that's such a lame excuse. people go out stinking of B.O. I don;t approve of that, but I dont feel that I have the right to exert my opinion over the civil liberty of the smelly person. It's the same thing, because a section of people don;t like the smell of fags, they're trying to make the majority of smokers and people who couldnt give a fuck have to stand out in the rain. Its fucking bullshit, I wont follow teh ban anyway they can whistle for their £50 fine pfft.

[Fab]

I didn't say I apporoved of a ban, just that there should be an incentive for places to have a non-smoking policy. If I go to a pub where people are smoking (and they invariably are) then my clothes and hair will reek of smoke until I wash them, wheras if I go to the one non-smoking pub, whatever smell the place had tends to vanish on the walk back to the car.

It's not that I'm saying smokers should be condemmed to the cold and wet, but non-smokers should have somewhere to go to avoid second hand smoke and smelling. Sure, you can say you don't mind not living an extra five years, but regardless, I find smoke in places unpleasent. Just because you don't, does that mean I shouldn't have somewhere to go if I want to go out to avoid it?

[Herr Lipp]

Yeah I think they should have non-smoking pubs and smoking pubs too. Fuck it, I'll just have to join a Working Mans club or a Snooker Hall if the nancy-boys put forward another, gayer bill.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Fab
As a non smoker I think there should be an incentive for bars to have a non smoking policy, such as lower licensing fees (since they'd probably suffer from a loss in revenue). I don't smoke and it annoys me greatly that I stink after an evening at the pub, but if other people want to then let them, as long as there are viable alternatives for people like me. There's only one non-smoking pub around Headingly where I usually go for a drink, and it's always so full you're lucky to find a table, let alone a chair to sit at it with.
Im glad youre reasonable.

I understand that it isnt fair now, but then forcing a ban makes it equally unfair.

As usual, compromise is the way forward and its far too reasonable, so everyone ignores it.

[ramblingrose]

I was in London a couple of weeks ago and got taken to a non-smoking pub. I didn't mind, I just went outside and it meant I only smoked one cigarette instead of about 467, but my friends did remark that they'd miss me when I was banished from everywhere, as this particular place had a horrible aroma of sick and Stardrops. It was quite a posh pub as well, so god knows what Wetherspoons are going to smell like.

[Herr Lipp]

Spoooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnsssssssssssss.

Home of rank tap beer. I dunno if it's true, but I got told teh reason Spoons is so cheap is they buy all their stuff well close to the sell-by date? Probably just drunken bulloni though.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
Spoooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnsssssssssssss.

Home of rank tap beer. I dunno if it's true, but I got told teh reason Spoons is so cheap is they buy all their stuff well close to the sell-by date? Probably just drunken bulloni though.
They just have no atmosphere at all. They are the hell of sterility.

Funny how their pubs are split in half, and there are so many seats in the non smoking side yet fuck all in the smokers section.

[ramblingrose]

They are indeed a circle of hell. I've only been in them a few times because they're the sort of place where you get hit. Oooh, horrible. I don't like the no music thing either, it's wrong.
I'm still trying to formulate an opinion on the banning of smoking. Doesn't the Haddon Hall have a non-smoking section? If so, is it well-used? I once had a cigarette in the Roy Castle room in the Royal Park, but only because the landlady told me to.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
They are indeed a circle of hell. I've only been in them a few times because they're the sort of place where you get hit. Oooh, horrible. I don't like the no music thing either, it's wrong.
I'm still trying to formulate an opinion on the banning of smoking. Doesn't the Haddon Hall have a non-smoking section? If so, is it well-used? I once had a cigarette in the Roy Castle room in the Royal Park, but only because the landlady told me to.
The Haddon KINDA does, but its indicated only by lack of ashtrays and blatantly ignored, even by the staff when their off duty. You just grab an ashtray from elsewhere and smoke away.

The thing that does my head in most about 'spoons pubs is the way they are like "we know what is best for you".

You know you cant even get chips on some of there menus now? All their items have carb and fat content, and they have made everything "healthy" or at least healthier, which means less traditional foods.

Fuck! People go for a pub lunch and WANT fucking chips you knobheads!

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
The thing that does my head in most about 'spoons pubs is the way they are like "we know what is best for you".

You know you cant even get chips on some of there menus now? All their items have carb and fat content, and they have made everything "healthy" or at least healthier, which means less traditional foods.

Fuck! People go for a pub lunch and WANT fucking chips you knobheads!

I had no idea about that.
If they really knew what was best for their core clientele they'd stop serving alcohol, thus reducing the incidence of ABH and sexual assault.

[Herr Lipp]

I hate Rochester spoons. I'd rather pay the extra 40p on the pint and NOT be waiting 40 minutes at the bar, keeping my head down to avoid getting sparked out by the burberry Chatham warriors.

The food is okay now and then. Usually get a Lamb Burger and chips, only £3.25 if you get 2 meals for 6.50

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
I had no idea about that.
If they really knew what was best for their core clientele they'd stop serving alcohol, thus reducing the incidence of ABH and sexual assault.
Just like if the government really knew best, they would ban tobacco altogether rather than try to milk them dry AND treat them like second class citizens.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
I'd rather pay the extra 40p on the pint and NOT be waiting 40 minutes at the bar,
totally.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Just like if the government really knew best, they would ban tobacco altogether rather than try to milk them dry AND treat them like second class citizens.
INDEED.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Fab
It's not that I'm saying smokers should be condemmed to the cold and wet, but non-smokers should have somewhere to go to avoid second hand smoke
As a smoker I am happy to be condemned to the cold and wet, although a little awning or something would be nice. I don't like smoking round people who hate it, it makes me feel really bad. I don't really like separate rooms because it means that you end up hanging round in little smoking/non-smoking cliques, or usually once the non-smokers get drunk enough they take up room in the smoking section, and to be honest I did panic when I realised I was in a totally non-smoking pub, but it was fine, and it was handy as well because it meant I had an excuse to take my friend outside with me for a "quiet word". On balance I'm all for the ban, who'da thunk it. jings. crivvens. I'm serious though.

[Herr Lipp]

Yes but someone as important as me frankly doesnt have the time to walk the 10 yards to the door for a smoke! Fuck the ban. Second hand smoke is played up mang, all modern pubs have shit hot ventilation in them, it's not like they're sealed off and people get suffocated 'n' that.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
Second hand smoke is played up
Aint that the truth. Not one death has been definately due to passive smoking. They can only talk in probabilities. Considering how few smokers die from smoking when they take it direct into their body, the chances of someone who doesnt smoke getting it are fucking minute, unless of course their bodies are deficient, in which case smokers should not be persecuted for that.

[Squirrel]

I am not a smoker but the smoking ban in pubs is retarded because...

a) If they don't smell of smoke, pubs smell of piss and stale beer which is much worse.

b) If you're with a smoker, you all have to go outside to carry on the conversation and holding onto a table becomes impossible.

c) If you are concerned about second-hand smoke in the workplace, don't work in a fucking pub. It's where people smoke.

d) Wetherspoons is less of a pub, and more of a viral epidemic of airport lounges that seem to be growing out of the ground. Remember this? (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/06/04/1054700275736.html)

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Squirrel
I am not a smoker but the smoking ban in pubs is retarded because...

a) If they don't smell of smoke, pubs smell of piss and stale beer which is much worse.

b) If you're with a smoker, you all have to go outside to carry on the conversation and holding onto a table becomes impossible.

c) If you are concerned about second-hand smoke in the workplace, don't work in a fucking pub. It's where people smoke.

d) Wetherspoons is less of a pub, and more of a viral epidemic of airport lounges that seem to be growing out of the ground. Remember this? (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/06/04/1054700275736.html)
Jesus Christ! What next, ban talking because it might fucking bother someone?

Excellent point about the workers. Thats like me, being veggie, complaining about working in an abattoir!

The vast majority of people in pubs, either smoke or dont give a shit. Again, its the minority, and if they dont like it, they can fuck off somewhere else.

Put in a nutshell, the ban will hinder more than it will help.

[Squirrel]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Jesus Christ! What next, ban talking because it might fucking bother someone?

I know! So if Wetherspoons had their way there would be no music, no swearing and no smoking. That's like... a place where you would go to calm down from the excitement of sneaking into the library with a can of shandy.

[ramblingrose]

They wouldn't have any customers. What next, ban the wearing of leather blousons, shiny slip-on shoes, pleat-front "slacks" and flashed mullets? Pink sweatbands? where will it end etc etc.
Maybe Wetherspoons could become a chain of straight edge hangouts. That would be...unprofitable.

[Herr Lipp]

Squirrel you're so right about holding a table! It's a nightmare in a spoons for example, where you better be prepared to stand up for the majority of your session.

[Squirrel]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
They wouldn't have any customers. What next, ban the wearing of leather blousons, shiny slip-on shoes, pleat-front "slacks" and flashed mullets? Pink sweatbands? where will it end etc etc.
Maybe Wetherspoons could become a chain of straight edge hangouts. That would be...unprofitable.

And they can start serving beer in those little plastic glasses that they give you at festivals, if they don't already. Maybe people will start using Wetherspoons as like giant chill-out rooms for when they need to mong out after going to an actual club. :O

[Squirrel]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
Squirrel you're so right about holding a table! It's a nightmare in a spoons for example, where you better be prepared to stand up for the majority of your session.

I still haven't seen the smoking ban in full effect in England yet, but they've just brought it in over here in Canada a couple of months ago. I think it'll get interesting round about December, when you get a crowd of smokers standing around outside when it's -25 Celcius and there's a foot of snow on the ground. Now that's the healthy option. :yes:

[Squirrel]

And while we're on the subject of pubs, are they any nearer to sorting out how they all close at 11 yet?

[Herr Lipp]

Err not nationwide, but I'm sure pubs can apply to stay open a bit longer than they could before. Only till about 12pm though. I honestly dont think changing closing time will do much for crime and anti social behaviour. British people out on a Friday night are up for letting their hair down man, the problem is when they do they become huge walking, talking penises who beat up paramedics and shit so fuck it, I dont think giving tehm 2 hours more drinking time is gonna help.

In fact, it might be worse for the regular joe. At least come 11.15pm, it's mostly groups of pissheads on the streets. They can fight other pissheads to get their kicks. But if it's a group of pissheads and nobody is about bar a solitary couple, well they usually, in my experience just give it to the couple. Because a group of 6 men are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HARD giving it to a man and woman :rolleyes: Kill em all, let god sort em out! To quote Duke Nukem.

[ramblingrose]

There should be some sort of system, like if you're a wanker who likes fighting you have to walk down street x, and if you're not you can walk down street y in safety.

[Jackal]

The bar owner should be able to have it either way. I quit smoking, but I think it's dumb to ban it from bars. Bars should be full of all the bad stuff, that's what makes them fun!

And non-smokers' could find a non-smoking bar if they wanted.

[Squirrel]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
There should be some sort of system, like if you're a wanker who likes fighting you have to walk down street x, and if you're not you can walk down street y in safety.

I like that idea. Do you think there should be some sort of special perk for the cool people's road, to encourage people to behave? Like a conveyor belt, or... it could all be flat so you'd never have to go up a hill. Or the wanker road could just be a big circle so they never really get anywhere and there's no corner shops....? Actually, never mind. :ok:

[Squirrel]

ALSO, I am allergic or something to coffee, if I drink it it makes me horribly sick for like days. But anyway, my point is that even the smell gives me a really bad headache and makes me sick eventually. I like to go to bookshops but I've never thought they should take the coffee shops out of them. It's just my bad luck.

[Static Split Screen]

They did that here in California a few years back and people didn't like it at all. I think it's still in effect, but I obviously don't go to bars so I don't know. I agree that the owner should be able to choose.

[Squirrel]

What if they just banned cigarettes altogether and started putting nicotene in beer? It would cause some new problems, but it would also solve quite a few old ones.

[Fab]

Originally posted by Jackal
And non-smokers' could find a non-smoking bar if they wanted.

Originally posted by Fab
There's only one non-smoking pub around Headingly where I usually go for a drink, and it's always so full you're lucky to find a table, let alone a chair to sit at it with.

sadly they're like hen's teeth, which is why the government need to do something like have lower license fees for non smoking bars, but it'll never happen because then they'd get less money.

[ramblingrose]

Frank, if you asked me not to smoke in your vicinity I would comply. But you'd have to introduce yourself otherwise I'd probably just tell you to fuck off.
Warning - random mention of cats imminent - I met an ace cat on my way home tonight, she looked like your box-dwelling puss. She actually climbed onto my shoulder and I was very tempted to take her home, but didn't.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Squirrel
I like that idea. Do you think there should be some sort of special perk for the cool people's road, to encourage people to behave? Like a conveyor belt, or... it could all be flat so you'd never have to go up a hill. Or the wanker road could just be a big circle so they never really get anywhere and there's no corner shops....? Actually, never mind. :ok:
Are you eligible to stand for parliament? Because you'd get my vote. And you could make some magic non-smoking pubs for Fab.

[Nak Nak]

I heard that the pubs where the ban has been started smell like BO. I'd rather smell cigs than BO.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Nak Nak
I heard that the pubs where the ban has been started smell like BO. I'd rather smell cigs than BO.
Honestly, the one I went in was AWFUL, properly awful. I had to put my sleeve over my face so I could only smell my own perfume. You'll miss us when we're gone.

[Nak Nak]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
Honestly, the one I went in was AWFUL, properly awful. I had to put my sleeve over my face so I could only smell my own perfume. You'll miss us when we're gone.

I don't mind cig smoke in public places. I'm not bothered if someone I'm talking to lights up either, since my brother smokes and I've become used to it.

[ramblingrose]

This woman at my work was bitching the other day about how she gets pissed off with people smoking in the street when she's got her kid in its pushchair, and I had to restrain myself from pinning her to the floor and telling her how I hate her fucking perfume and how she revs her bastard 4x4 in my face every night when I'm walking across the car park. grrr. I didn't even let myself think about the noise pollution from her grubby child.

[ramblingrose]

I stand by what I said about it being okay to ban smoking though. And relax.

[Nak Nak]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
This woman at my work was bitching the other day about how she gets pissed off with people smoking in the street when she's got her kid in its pushchair, and I had to restrain myself from pinning her to the floor and telling her how I hate her fucking perfume and how she revs her bastard 4x4 in my face every night when I'm walking across the car park. grrr. I didn't even let myself think about the noise pollution from her grubby child.

Anyone who drives a 4x4 in a city has to be an asshole.

Whenever anyone parks a large car within range of my window I shoot it with my bb gun (leaves dents.)

[ramblingrose]

But she needs it! It's about the safety of her child! GOSH. Some people are so fucking inconsiderate...

[Nak Nak]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
But she needs it! It's about the safety of her child! GOSH. Some people are so fucking inconsiderate...

I hope her 4x4 is destroyed by a speeding train with her child inside.

As a cyclist I cannot abide such idiocy.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Nak Nak
I hope her 4x4 is destroyed by a speeding train with her child inside.

As a cyclist I cannot abide such idiocy.
Kid in the 4x4 or the train? I'd like to think the kid would drive the train into the 4x4 and then run off laughing.
I once had to deal with someone who'd been knocked off a bike by a big car and it weren't right nice. Be careful!

[Nak Nak]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
Kid in the 4x4 or the train? I'd like to think the kid would drive the train into the 4x4 and then run off laughing.
I once had to deal with someone who'd been knocked off a bike by a big car and it weren't right nice. Be careful!
My friend euan was knocked over recently. He got a hairline fracture on his skull and a huge cut on his neck.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Nak Nak
My friend euan was knocked over recently. He got a hairline fracture on his skull and a huge cut on his neck.
get well soon, your friend Euan. Skull fractures, nasty.

[Nak Nak]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
get well soon, your friend Euan. Skull fractures, nasty.

He has a very impressive scar on his neck now.

[ramblingrose]

Front or back?

[Nak Nak]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
Front or back?

On his left side, disturbingly near his jugular.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Nak Nak
On his left side, disturbingly near his jugular.
Fucking hell, poor kid. Does it look cool or just scary?

[Static Split Screen]

I find the smell of cigarette smoke and BO equally repugnant, because I rarely ever smell cigarette smoke. No one I know smokes, and it's illegal to smoke inside buildings here.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Static Split Screen
it's illegal to smoke inside buildings here.
My friend went to live with his dad for a while, somewhere near San Francisco, and it was illegal to smoke within 50 metres of a public building. I think I'd find it easier to stop if I lived somewhere like that...

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Static Split Screen
I find the smell of cigarette smoke and BO equally repugnant, because I rarely ever smell cigarette smoke. No one I know smokes, and it's illegal to smoke inside buildings here.
It's a shame they can't make it illegal to have BO in a public place.

[Nak Nak]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
Fucking hell, poor kid. Does it look cool or just scary?

It looks ultra cool and very badass.

[Squirrel]

I had a friend who was run over by a fishing boat on dry land, in a petrol station forecourt. He was alright though.

[Herr Lipp]

My friend got knocked clean out by a lorry's wing mirror :lol: we laughed for a good 180 seconds before we picked him up.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Squirrel
I had a friend who was run over by a fishing boat on dry land, in a petrol station forecourt. He was alright though.
That is the best accident ever!

[Static Split Screen]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
My friend went to live with his dad for a while, somewhere near San Francisco, and it was illegal to smoke within 50 metres of a public building. I think I'd find it easier to stop if I lived somewhere like that...

Yeah, the rate of people who smoke is rapidly declining. It's seen as politically incorrect, even, here. If anyone lights up they get a tirade about how had it is for them.

[Herr Lipp]

I'd tell someone to suck my cock if they tried telling me off for smoking outside. Fucking pricks. I fucking hate political correctness, it's a fucking virus, spread by america, thanks a lot, the biggest piece of bullshit to hit society in 20 years.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
I'd tell someone to suck my cock if they tried telling me off for smoking outside.
If someone launched a tirade at me for smoking, they would have a choice of either a) getting an even bigger tirade back for being such a selfish cunt or b) a cigarette stubbed out on their left eyeball.

Their decision.

[Herr Lipp]

Or both if I was on my period.

[BeautifulRefrain]

Obviously people who smoke know how bad it is for them and its their choice to continue smoking. But I've come to realize that these people do it as a polite way of saying, "your smoking around me is bad for ME". Whenever people say it to me... I just smile and say I know. I try not to make myself sound like a idiot or threaten violence. Call me crazy.

As for the ban, I'm for all for it. I've been to Canada a few times and I think they have the right idea. You can't smoke inside the building, but they have outdoor smoking sections that are usually heated and covered. Very nice.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by BeautifulRefrain
Call me crazy.

As for the ban, I'm for all for it.
Youre crazy.

[tetragrammaton]

I haven't read what came before since there's so much, but I'll add my two cents worth anyway:

As a non-smoker I find it annoying to either have to go outside with my friends when they want to smoke or sit around by myself.

I find it more dangerous to send drunks outside to smoke. The one fight I've been in in my adult life happened when I was sitting with some friends who were smoking outside, and it never would've happened if the smoking ban hadn't been in place.

As a band member, it's made our audiences smaller. People there to see other bands would usually stick around to check you out, but now they take the opportunity to go out for a smoke. And why go out in the first place when they drink AND smoke in the comfort of their own home.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by tetragrammaton
I haven't read what came before since there's so much, but I'll add my two cents worth anyway:

As a non-smoker I find it annoying to either have to go outside with my friends when they want to smoke or sit around by myself.

I find it more dangerous to send drunks outside to smoke. The one fight I've been in in my adult life happened when I was sitting with some friends who were smoking outside, and it never would've happened if the smoking ban hadn't been in place.

As a band member, it's made our audiences smaller. People there to see other bands would usually stick around to check you out, but now they take the opportunity to go out for a smoke. And why go out in the first place when they drink AND smoke in the comfort of their own home.
Just like Mark. Im glad you two are proving that not all non-smokers are idiots. Thankyou.

[ramblingrose]

This is making me want a cigarette.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
This is making me want a cigarette.
I literally just loaded blamo and lit one, so im smoking right now.

[Hamer]

As a non-smoker it always makes me wonder why non-smoking sections are located higher than the smoking section of the floor (on those little raised platform sections).. With smoke rising and such I honestly don't see the point.

Smokers don't really affect me that much.. not in pubs anyway. If I'm sat near to someone on a bus who has NO SMOKING written right next to them then I get really fucking annoyed, but yeah.. otherwise it doesn't really get to me. I think the "Pub = smoke + booze" theory doesn't really hold but you know, it doesn't really bother me so much as for me to vote against smoking in pubs. Some of my best friends are smokers.. What am I going to say? "Bye, we're going in here. You can fuck off for a while, we'll see you later"?

The only times that it annoys me that people smoke in pubs are when some dick is smoking a really fat cigar which honestly does smell awful, or when I wake up the next morning and the shirt that I put on only twelve hours before stinks like mad of smoke. Otherwise though... I honestly couldn't care less.

It does, however, annoy me when a smoker tells everyone that they have the right to damage other people's health. I have about as much respect for these people as they do for their own health.. which isn't much.

I agree that there should be some sort of compromise. I think the smoking rooms suggestion being put forward by the government is daft. I think that simply setting one half of the room to smokers and one half to non-smokers would be better; none of this raised platform bullshit - just 50:50. It would give you a better chance of getting away from the smoke if you wanted and there'd be little chance of it drifting your way.

[Herr Lipp]

Some good points made Hamer. But I've just noticed, that non-smoker excuse of "ooh my shirt will smell" is really fucking lame. Think about it, who goes out dancing for 10 hours, either pissed or on drugs, and honestly thinks they will wear their shirt tomorrow or next week without washing it?!?!

And smoking on teh bus used to be wicked. I had to take a 50min journey to get to my house which was 25 minutes away because we had to go through all teh other little towns. So I got high loads :)

[Static Split Screen]

My excuse is that I hate the smell and don't want lung cancer.

[Herr Lipp]

Well fuck, you think second hand fag smoke is gonna do more damamge to you than all the pollution in California? Second hand smoke scaremongering is bullshit, not least because most places have modern ventilation systems.

[dufer]

In my student union pub I think they pretty much have things right at present; it’s a big place and half of the pub is smoking and the other half is non-smoking. Unfortunately there is now a proposal to make the whole pub non-smoking. I seem to be the only person I’ve spoken to who considers this new proposal a bad thing.

Apologies if this post has re-opened a thread that was considered ‘dead’; I’ve forgotten the social norms of this forum in my absence.