Equal responsibility?

[ramblingrose]

Being discussed heavily on today's news; offering "long-term" (injection/implant) contraception free to all women in an effort to reduce the rate of unwanted pregnancy, and whether or not this will cause "a rise in promiscuity".
How come nobody ever seems to think that men have any responsibility for preventing unwanted pregnancy? I'm all too aware that condoms are not 100% reliable but given what everybody knows about STIs almost nobody should be having sex without one anyway. And I don't believe that 400,000 pregnancies a year are caused by malfunctioning 'love socks'.
Just another thing...is promiscuity a bad thing in itself? I'd say not really.

[Herr Lipp]

It's the woman's overall responsibility. That's not sexist, it's just fact. You're the one that has the most to lose, don't put your fate in the hands (condoms) of others.

And promiscuity is alright for slags. But why diminish the closeness and "sanctity" if you will of shagging. I don;t mean wait till your married, I mean dont go and fuck a different bloke every night. It's peoples decisions, and doesnt bother me, but those birds shouldnt expect to be any more of a slag in my eyes.

[sad machines]

You are right...there are two many guys out there that just spray seeds all over the place without thinking of consequences.

It is just another completely unfair treatment of women...but the women who are letting it happen to them are also to blame. Ladies...get some "balls" and stop letting idiots fill you with baby batter.

And these guys who do this...they have the nerve to bitch and bitch and bitch about paying child support. Fucking retards.

Promiscuity is a bad thing in the US because it is so forbidden. If we were more open-minded about sex (like Europeans, etc) then promiscuity probably wouldn't really exist. Someone who is now considered "promiscuous" would then be seen as "in touch with his/her sexuality." But I don't thing the US will ever get to this mentality. Our country was founded on conservative censorship of sexuality, especially for women.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

I find sex pointless using a condom. It completely destroys all the fun.

I almost always choose no sex over condom sex, but it generally depends on how drunk i am.

[Herr Lipp]

If I was in another long term relationship, I'd much rather we both got tested and the female used an oral contraceptive or an injection, like you say danny, johns do take away the sensation.

I think maybe a portion of men would take an oral contraceptive, but the thing is, theres no incentive for the man to keep taking it, but there is a massive incentive for the woman, she doesnt wanna get up the duff. Thats why its mainly the womans responsibility.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
I think maybe a portion of men would take an oral contraceptive, but the thing is, theres no incentive for the man to keep taking it,
...or would a woman believe a guy who SAID he has taken it?

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
the thing is, theres no incentive for the man to keep taking it

so the thought of having loads of illegits running around doesn't bother you? Or having to pay child support (although that is the easy option compared to having to bring up the feckers on your own)? And am I detecting a slight air of "oh, but I don't sleep with the sort of girls who I could catch something off"?

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
...or would a woman believe a guy who SAID he has taken it?

seems like most men are only too happy to believe a woman who says that. Also there are side effects with oral contraception and I've never met anybody with a good word to say for the three month injections...the hassle of going to the doctors, getting prescriptions etc is quite a bit greater than the stress posed by going to Superdrug/all night garage/vending machine as well. seems to me like you're being fairly typical "men" about this, only thinking of yourselves.

[DrHibbert]

Originally posted by sad machines
baby batter

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
seems like most men are only too happy to believe a woman who says that.
Very true. I not being all "man" about it at all, I just detest condoms. If a woman wont sleep with me without it, then fine, we wont have sex. Its not an issue really.

[Jackal]

I've always thought it's the woman's responsibility. She's the one who will get stuck with it, or the abortion, or the guilt of giving it away and all the emotional problems with all of that.

That said, I use to take the pill for about 5 years. Until I realized I was spending too much money and time and worry for our usual one or two times a week. And he wasn't having to deal with the grief of doctor visits, getting the pills, and taking the pills. It wasn't fair that he just had the sex.

So we've been using condoms for like 15 years. Never had one break, he checks every one of them.

We are both not too keen on tube tying or vascectomies----we are chicken.

The availability of birth control doesn't make young people have more sex. I don't care if someone is fucking 7 different people a day, or 1 person a year, I don't care if they get every STD known to man and spread them, but unwanted pregnancy is so fucking stupid and wrong. I know failed birth control happens- I'm not talking about that-but people who go out fucking with no birth control and bring unwanted kids into the world should be fucking shot!

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Jackal
he wasn't having to deal with the grief of doctor visits, getting the pills, and taking the pills. It wasn't fair that he just had the sex.



Ping! We're not going to get anywhere until women stop bringing their sons up to be so fucking selfish (I'm not using your husband as an example, by the way). I have to disagree that it's the woman's responsibility just because we get the shitty end of the stick. It needs to be drilled into boys from a very young age that they are just as responsible.

[sad machines]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
It's the woman's overall responsibility. That's not sexist, it's just fact. You're the one that has the most to lose, don't put your fate in the hands (condoms) of others.

You just summed up the problem perfectly.

Men feel like they have nothing to lose...when they should be just as responsible for the children.:rolleyes:

[ramblingrose]

Somebody needs to get in here and prove there are some good men out there! Apart from the ones I've diddled.

[sad machines]

I'm a dude...and I totally agree with you.

[Jackal]

My son will fully understand that. He's being raised in a home where women are seen as equal's and are treated with respect. He also knows some women are not respectable.

Some 10 year old boys already have a very bad opinion of what a woman's place is because their homes are set up that way. I think it's sad that they will always view women in a shallow light.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by sad machines
I'm a dude...and I totally agree with you.
I thought you were but then you were being so reasonable I wasn't sure...so there's at least one decent chap on the planet, then.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Jackal
My son will fully understand that. He's being raised in a home where women are seen as equal's and are treated with respect. He also knows some women are not respectable.

The first part of this is like "yay!" but I'm a bit peturbed about the "some women are not respectable" part...could you clarify? Do you just mean that some people, regardless of gender, are not very nice?

[Fab]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
It's the woman's overall responsibility. That's not sexist, it's just fact. You're the one that has the most to lose, don't put your fate in the hands (condoms) of others. I third this, it's not that it shouldn't be the man's problem, but after a one night stand or something a woman wouldn't necessarily know how to find him again. So the bloke gets away scot free and the woman gets stuck with descisions about the baby.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Fab
but after a one night stand or something a woman wouldn't necessarily know how to find him again.
Microchipping equipment is surprisingly easy to steal from your nearest vetinary practice, and ensures peace of mind in the event of contraceptive abruption.

[Nak Nak]

Most humans should be castrated at birth anyway.


How much do abortions cost btw?

[Jackal]

I can't teach my son that every woman should be respected because some women are bad people. Obviously I'm teaching him to figure people out one at a time not based on anything but their behavior.

It all starts very elementary, and I teach what he wants or needs to know as time moves along. As his experiences dictate. He seems to have the problems before he asks for the answers, and I like that, that we slowly learn how the human race is at his pace. Otherwise I would unload way too much baised opiniated crap and he would never figure out things by himself. I don't teach him my ugly opinions, I teach him everything without baggage and he learns about the world through his own eye's and brain.

I'm honest with him and always have been when he's asked a question.

[Static Split Screen]

Sounds good, Jacki.

As far as promiscuity goes, I personally feel you should have at least some feelings for the opposite party, or it doesn't seem like it'd be very enjoyable. But I also respect that people can do whatever floats their boat IF they're responsible about it. Women shouldn't rely on abortions as birth control. I take the pill, and I don't really like it, but condoms suck. I wish they'd come up with a guy birth control pill, so we could trade off or be doubly sure.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
It needs to be drilled into boys from a very young age that they are just as responsible. On a moral level we are, but in reality no we arent, because we are biologicaly made to fuck and leave. We can impregnate and have nothing more to do with the whole affair.

So women have more responsibility because it affects them FAR more. Sad and unfair, but true.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
Microchipping equipment is surprisingly easy to steal from your nearest vetinary practice, and ensures peace of mind in the event of contraceptive abruption.
Sounds excellent to me, Id love to get hold of that.

Originally posted by Nak Nak
Most humans should be castrated at birth anyway.


How much do abortions cost btw?
Best thing said ever. :yes: You should have to prove why you shouldnt be castrated. My sisters abortion was free on the NHS.

Originally posted by Jackal
some women are bad people
worse than men, usually.

Originally posted by Static Split Screen
Jacki
Huh? :eek:

[Herr Lipp]

Originally posted by Nak Nak
How much do abortions cost btw?

£400ish private.

[Nak Nak]

Originally posted by Jackal
I can't teach my son that every woman should be respected because some women are bad people. Obviously I'm teaching him to figure people out one at a time not based on anything but their behavior.

It all starts very elementary, and I teach what he wants or needs to know as time moves along. As his experiences dictate. He seems to have the problems before he asks for the answers, and I like that, that we slowly learn how the human race is at his pace. Otherwise I would unload way too much baised opiniated crap and he would never figure out things by himself. I don't teach him my ugly opinions, I teach him everything without baggage and he learns about the world through his own eye's and brain.

I'm honest with him and always have been when he's asked a question.

What if he asked you...
"Is it ok to kiss boys?"

[Jackal]

Yes, but not at school!

At least that would save me from having to play the caring grandmother role! :)

[Nak Nak]

Originally posted by Jackal
Yes, but not at school!

At least that would save me from having to play the caring grandmother role! :)

So true, there were no open gays at my school.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Nak Nak
So true, there were no open gays at my school.
There was one guy in ours. An obnoxious toolsack. Enough to make anyone a homophobe.

[Nak Nak]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
There was one guy in ours. An obnoxious toolsack. Enough to make anyone a homophobe.
Well a boy who left the school fairly recently turned out to be gay. I'd always suspected it because he listened to Beyonce on his CD player and once did a talk in English about Angel.

[Herr Lipp]

This poofter came out in sixth form at school (went to a boys school but birds were allowed in the sixth form, think thats why he came out). He only got mildly abused, but we crashed his house party and fucked his house over good. I was throwing garden ornaments through his greenhouse, then threw up on the patio, my mate stole his Courvoisier out of the booze cabinet and hi jacked the queer music on the CD player, and then these other boys we know started booting some blokes car outside and the police got called (the bloke came out and smacked the car-kicker). A groovy night.

[Static Split Screen]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Huh? :eek:

Haha, wow, bad typo. I didn't even notice. Jackal, Jacki, easy to see how I got it mixed up. But I know her name's Allison.

[kendra]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
A groovy night.

Well, yeah, sounds like you guys were a pack of A+ assholes. Hope you grew out of it.

In answer to the question, I'd say both people should have a 50/50 responsibility on who's taking birth control. Men should also not expect their partners to be on a pill just for their sexual pleasure/convenience. Yes, a condom may take away sensation but I am not going to medicate myself every day just because it'd make your penis happier. It's costly and can be dangerous. I'm very lucky to have such a considerate partner - and we still enjoy our sex life, even though we're both pretty disgusted with latex. I think as a married woman I'm going to enjoy either using nothing, or using a diaphragm. I guess for people that sleep around pills and condoms are the best choice. Personally if I was a guy unless I knew the girl VERY well I'd use a condom no matter what.

[XenonDreams]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
On a moral level we are, but in reality no we arent, because we are biologicaly made to fuck and leave. We can impregnate and have nothing more to do with the whole affair.

So women have more responsibility because it affects them FAR more. Sad and unfair, but true.

Oh danny. What is responsibility if not a moral question? While in a practical sense, you are right, a woman has much more to lose, and will always face some consequences from an unwanted pregnancy (even if it is just having an abortion) what is being moral if not taking responsiblity for the child of a woman you impregnated?

We could bicker all day trying to glean some precise ratio of responsiblity for somebody getting knocked up, the point is both parties are morally responsible for that child. Whether its aborted, adopted or raised with love and care, its both parties problem in absolute sense that no amount of parsing about who is more at fault is going to take away from. Given the existence and widespread availabilty of birth control in modern soceity, there really is no excuse, from the man, or the woman, for not taking care of a child (if they can't or won't have an abortion, etc...) that is theirs. Yes, you might proplerly use the pill, condoms or both and still get unlucky, but you might also fall under a bus tommorow and be even worse off. [/morality rant]


My father always told me (when it had become obvious to my parents I was having sex in high school) i should use a rubber and make the bitch be on the pill (as if he ever would have). Thing is, I'd go rubber on a girl I didn't know, but once i'm in a relationship I'm willing to take the chance of having my life effectively ruined by having to raise a kid at 21 by just relying on the pill. I think it is worth the risk. Oh well. The point of life is whatever you want it to be, but we were made, so brilliant randomly designed, to BREED. Cuz if we hadn't been, well we wouldn't be here. Take precautions, take responsibility if it fails, and don't worry about it too much. So far I've been charged with two miscarriages (well two preganancies that ended in miscarriages cuz they didn't stop taking the pill cuz they didn't know..or did...), one of which I actually believe happened. I feel pretty terrible about possibly having sterilized the one (though really its neither of our faults), and though I find the usual suggestions around here of forcibly sterilizing people abhorent, I feel like I probably did the world a favor with the other.
[/personal bs]

[negatifzeo]

I for one am sick of all this talk of sex and morals. How did sex become such a moral issue? Promiscuity is NOT a bad thing, and the only people that characterize it as such are people who feel they have some type of moral superiority. Promiscuity can be bad for some people, but not all people. It's a personal choice, and as such, it shouldn't be an issue.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by kendra
Yes, a condom may take away sensation but I am not going to medicate myself every day just because it'd make your penis happier. .
Well then, you wouldnt get a shag. Im not gonna lose all sensation and have it worthless just because you wont medicate yourself everyday. Besides, without sensation, you cant keep it up, so you wouldnt get laid at all! Why should I bother shagging someone when I dont get anything out of it? Intercourse would become an irritating chore.

Now whats more insulting to a woman, not shagging her because she wont do it without a condom or finding shagging her a chore and not enjoying it?

The fact is, (in my case at least) it would be better and easier for a girl to use the pill then use a condom. If a girl is too selfish to realise that, then bye, bye.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by XenonDreams
Oh danny. What is responsibility if not a moral question? While in a practical sense, you are right, a woman has much more to lose, and will always face some consequences from an unwanted pregnancy (even if it is just having an abortion) what is being moral if not taking responsiblity for the child of a woman you impregnated?
Youve just answered your own question.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
I for one am sick of all this talk of sex and morals. How did sex become such a moral issue? Promiscuity is NOT a bad thing, and the only people that characterize it as such are people who feel they have some type of moral superiority. Promiscuity can be bad for some people, but not all people. It's a personal choice, and as such, it shouldn't be an issue.
Wow, how one-sided. Maybe you never got told about the birds and the bees, but sex isnt all about recreation, my friend. There is this little word called "babies" which are a major moral responsibility for the rest of your life. See? Sex? Morals? Intrisically joined at the hip. (or groin, if you prefer)

Promiscuity increases the risk of unwanted babies (the worst kind), and the spread of STD's. Some of socieites greatest ills. So although in essence I agree, promiscuity isnt the ultimate sin, it is a very bad thing in some ways.

[Herr Lipp]

Kendra C'mon, he's gay, he deserved it. :D

just kidding.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
The fact is, (in my case at least) it would be better and easier for a girl to use the pill then use a condom. If a girl is too selfish to realise that, then bye, bye.

I'm guessing you either don't get it much or you tend to go for schoolgirls who don't know any better? Or you're pox-ridden.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
I'm guessing you either don't get it much or you tend to go for schoolgirls who don't know any better? Or you're pox-ridden.
Care for some explainations? None of them make any sense.

My girlfriend is on the pill, we dont use condoms. Its a very happy arrangement.

Or are you just incredibly selfish? So theoretically, you would rather have no sex than sex on the pill, because sex with a condom is not a possibility?

[ramblingrose]

Ooh, don't get cunty. That's a bit of a dear pot, yours sincerely, kettle, isn't it?
Without medical certification nobody is coming at me ungloved even if I was on every form of contraception known to mankind. If not wanting chlamydia makes me selfish then I am. I see the consequences of unprotected sex all the time at work and it's not pleasant.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
Ooh, don't get cunty. That's a bit of a dear pot, yours sincerely, kettle, isn't it?
Without medical certification nobody is coming at me ungloved even if I was on every form of contraception known to mankind. If not wanting chlamydia makes me selfish then I am. I see the consequences of unprotected sex all the time at work and it's not pleasant.
Whos getting cunty? Youre the one with the bee in your bonnet, im happy wiht my situatio. But how can you get chlamydia without having sex?

[Herr Lipp]

I dont ever want to have to have one of those umbrella things down my Japs Eye.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
I dont ever want to have to have one of those umbrella things down my Japs Eye.
No fear of that with me, Id never let em awake. They would have to put me under first.

[Fab]

:yes: promiscuity is not a bad thing

:no: going around spreading STDs and risking pregnancy is, regardless of whether you think the girl is on the pill or not. If I didn't know if a girl was on the pill then I'd wear a condom, I don't have a huge problem with it anyway, but if I did then I'd not sleep with people if I didn't know whether or not they were using some other kind of contraception.

Mr X, you seem to have got the wrong impression about what Danny was saying. Whilst the man should care about whether or not he knocks someone up, it's very easy for him to make it hard for the woman to find him, especially if it was just a one night stand. Therefore, the woman should be looking after number one by using some kind of contraception.

Another point to remember, if you're on the pill you can still get and spread STDs, I know everyone knows this but it's an easy point to overlook.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Fab
Mr X, you seem to have got the wrong impression about what Danny was saying. Whilst the man should care about whether or not he knocks someone up, it's very easy for him to make it hard for the woman to find him, especially if it was just a one night stand. Therefore, the woman should be looking after number one by using some kind of contraception.
Damn straight. Its easier for the man not to give a flying fuck, (although of course this isnt morally correct). A woman has more to lose by a resulting pregnancy.

Another important point to remember is the best contraception is not having sex in the first place. If you dont trust the person to be clean, then dont shag em!

[Herr Lipp]

I don;t have any respect for over-promiscuous girls. yeah, that's right, I'm going all Mary Whitehouse on your bitch asses!

[Jackal]

My husband wears a condom everytime we have sex, he's obviously feeling alot of pleasure, and can keep it up sometimes longer than I wish he could. He says it does slightly cause less sensation. We've never had sexual problems due to the fact that he's wearing one.

[Nak Nak]

Originally posted by Jackal
My husband wears a condom everytime we have sex, he's obviously feeling alot of pleasure, and can keep it up sometimes longer than I wish he could. He says it does slightly cause less sensation. We've never had sexual problems due to the fact that he's wearing one.

They affect different people differently.

[Herr Lipp]

Yeah I've noticed you can buss for longer with one on. Also, you can get these ones now that have a numbing gel already on them, my friend used one with his gal and couldnt come at all! (he was pissed though I think).

[Nak Nak]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
Yeah I've noticed you can buss for longer with one on. Also, you can get these ones now that have a numbing gel already on them, my friend used one with his gal and couldnt come at all! (he was pissed though I think).
I had that problem with normal ones. Trying not get into details here, but I take too long anyway usually, so it is not a benefit!

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Nak Nak
I had that problem with normal ones. Trying not get into details here, but I take too long anyway usually, so it is not a benefit!
Only ever once came with a condom on, and that was a fluke.
I'd be lucky if I can keep it up for 2 minutes with one on. Hence, no point in using them.

[Fab]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
you can get these ones now that have a numbing gel already on them, my friend used one and he didn't come, but his girlfriend did, hard. So afterwards she gave him a blowjob as a thankyou, and her mouth went numb and she couldn't talk properly.

[Herr Lipp]

Meh it's different person 2 person innit. Not a big deal to me. I can come on almost on command if I need to. And of course can stretch to a lengthy 3 or 4 minutes should I be feeling particularly generous :)

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Wow, how one-sided. Maybe you never got told about the birds and the bees, but sex isnt all about recreation, my friend. There is this little word called "babies" which are a major moral responsibility for the rest of your life. See? Sex? Morals? Intrisically joined at the hip. (or groin, if you prefer)

Promiscuity increases the risk of unwanted babies (the worst kind), and the spread of STD's. Some of socieites greatest ills. So although in essence I agree, promiscuity isnt the ultimate sin, it is a very bad thing in some ways.

Oh, babies! The ones that can be prevented by weating a condom, using birth control(pill, patch, or shot), wearing a diaphragm, getting a vasectomy, getting a, uh... you know, the "tubes tied" thing, the "morning after pill", abortion, and maybe even "pulling out". See, there's plenty of options to prevent pregnancy. SEX should not be a moral issue. You can't take a person completely devoid of morals and start teaching them morals with the sex issue. It's just common-sense, some people have it, some people don't.

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by Jackal
My husband wears a condom everytime we have sex, he's obviously feeling alot of pleasure, and can keep it up sometimes longer than I wish he could. He says it does slightly cause less sensation. We've never had sexual problems due to the fact that he's wearing one.
You're married, and you make your husband wear a condom? You can't even get on birth control for your husband?? Damn. Someone needs to put that poor guy on suicide watch.

[Barbarian Love Elephant]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
I dont ever want to have to have one of those umbrella things down my Japs Eye.

:( we need a spoiler tag for this sort of talk or else ban it the world over. I hate it :( im gonna have the mental feeling in my head for the next few hours,i hate the world

Originally posted by Fab
my friend used one and he didn't come, but his girlfriend did, hard. So afterwards she gave him a blowjob as a thankyou, and her mouth went numb and she couldn't talk properly.

:-D

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Fab
my friend used one and he didn't come, but his girlfriend did, hard. So afterwards she gave him a blowjob as a thankyou, and her mouth went numb and she couldn't talk properly.
That would explain why they're always three for two in Boots.

[Jackal]

I could darling, be on birth control, but I don't wish to be. Why do I have to be on a medication with side effects for an activity that takes up about 20 to 40 minutes a week total? Fuckface.

There are other options that require no condoms which he seems to enjoy immensly.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Jackal
Fuckface.


It's my favourite word. But I usually use it as a term of endearment.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
Oh, babies! The ones that can be prevented by weating a condom, using birth control(pill, patch, or shot), wearing a diaphragm, getting a vasectomy, getting a, uh... you know, the "tubes tied" thing, the "morning after pill", abortion, and maybe even "pulling out". See, there's plenty of options to prevent pregnancy. SEX should not be a moral issue. You can't take a person completely devoid of morals and start teaching them morals with the sex issue. It's just common-sense, some people have it, some people don't.
My God! Your parents never did have that chat with you did they? You talk about about contraception yet fail to recognise that none of them are more than 90% proof or even 1% proof against STD's, like I mentioned.

Maybe you should learn your sex education before spouting such crap next time. Just a little friendly advice. ;)

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
My God! Your parents never did have that chat with you did they? You talk about about contraception yet fail to recognise that none of them are more than 90% proof or even 1% proof against STD's, like I mentioned.

Maybe you should learn your sex education before spouting such crap next time. Just a little friendly advice. ;)

I really think you are missing/ignoring my point here. I'm talking about sex as a moral issue, when it should not be one. Yeah, you COULD get std's, you COULD get someone pregnant. What that got to do with morals? There's a very high chance that new small business's will fail. Does that mean being an enterepeneur should be immoral too?

[Mary Alice]

I hate taking birth control pills. I can feel the harsh chemicals in my body.

And I can't even get pregnant. I take them for a medical condidion. I think the pain of the pills would be more worth it if I could.

Just dont' think that popping pills is that easy. Plus it isn't always good for a womans body. My swedish/german friend who lives in Amersterdam now told me about this study showing that they don't recommend women taking the pill for more than 7 years in a row and taking a year break with some other form of birth control to let the body rest from it. I've been on the pill for 10 years.

Trust me I am still looking for a doctor that can fully answer my questions - until then I am going to go with what I was told at 15 "take the pill or you'll go into premature menopause"

It isn't a big deal for a lot of women, but it can give you hormonal shifts (the pills are hormone, after all) and I doubt any woman doesn't notice she's on them. At the very least I bet any girl here who's taken the pill and forgotten it can vouch for the icky feeling you get and the hormonal roller coaster you go on when you do. And then if you take two at once, oh the nausea. I don't know if I am required to take the other one if I forget it, as I'm not doing it for borth control reasons, I do it anyways just in case I'm supposed to, but I know that if you are taking it for borth control reasons then you have to make up forgetting one by taking two. Bottom line - you better take the pill same time, every day or you'll feel like crap and it won't be as effective as it could be. Even if you do take it regularly it's going to change your body.

I can see why the pill would be worth it for both man and woman just pointing out that the affects of them on the body are not always minimal, sometimes they are very strong.

And if you're all ready taking a lot of medication, like Kendra, how much more do you want to risk? Plus some medicines don't work well with the pill.

[Static Split Screen]

I think if you sleep around you should have a condom to protect against STDS, but Danny and Meghan are in a monogamous (gah if that's spelled wrong just ignore me, I'm tired) so it shouldn't matter.

I wouldn't mind not being on the pill, but I need it anyway because my hormones are stupid and I've been on it since I was 14 anyway, which probably isn't good for me either. But I digress. To each his/her own, as long as they're happy and responsible, who cares?

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by Static Split Screen
I think if you sleep around you should have a condom to protect against STDS, but Danny and Meghan are in a monogamous (gah if that's spelled wrong just ignore me, I'm tired) so it shouldn't matter.

I wouldn't mind not being on the pill, but I need it anyway because my hormones are stupid and I've been on it since I was 14 anyway, which probably isn't good for me either. But I digress. To each his/her own, as long as they're happy and responsible, who cares?

Finally, someone with some sense around here!

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
I really think you are missing/ignoring my point here. I'm talking about sex as a moral issue, when it should not be one. Yeah, you COULD get std's, you COULD get someone pregnant. What that got to do with morals? There's a very high chance that new small business's will fail. Does that mean being an enterepeneur should be immoral too?
What has pregnancy and the responsibility of raising kids got to do with morals??

What has passing on diseases, sometimes fatal, got to do with morals??

Are you fucking serious??? Do you know what morals are?

This isnt a matter of "chance", so your analogy is worthless.

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
What has pregnancy and the responsibility of raising kids got to do with morals??

What has passing on diseases, sometimes fatal, got to do with morals??

Are you fucking serious??? Do you know what morals are?

This isnt a matter of "chance", so your analogy is worthless.

It is a matter of chance, and slim ones at that. Everone's saying "Oh, it's not 100%!" Give me a break. Use a condom, chances are you'll be safe. If you're in a relationship, you and your girl go get tested, she gets on birth control. The odds are in your favor. It's a choice up to the individual, and it isn't a moral one. Yes, there is some risk. It's up to the individual to weigh the risk.

Now I'm sure you disagree with what I've said. You're obviously retarded. But when the deadly H5 BIRD FLU mutates and becomes communicable by humans, will it be immoral to goto work? I'm sure chances of contracting that from an infected co-worker are higher than fucking a dirty whore with a condom. Oh that's right, you said it's not a matter of chance. It must be a matter of you stuck on the idea that sex is bad, dangerous, and scary.

[Nak Nak]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
It is a matter of chance, and slim ones at that. Everone's saying "Oh, it's not 100%!" Give me a break. Use a condom, chances are you'll be safe. If you're in a relationship, you and your girl go get tested, she gets on birth control. The odds are in your favor. It's a choice up to the individual, and it isn't a moral one. Yes, there is some risk. It's up to the individual to weigh the risk.

Now I'm sure you disagree with what I've said. You're obviously retarded. But when the deadly H5 BIRD FLU mutates and becomes communicable by humans, will it be immoral to goto work? I'm sure chances of contracting that from an infected co-worker are higher than fucking a dirty whore with a condom. Oh that's right, you said it's not a matter of chance. It must be a matter of you stuck on the idea that sex is bad, dangerous, and scary.

He flew over your head, asshole.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
It is a matter of chance, and slim ones at that. Everone's saying "Oh, it's not 100%!" Give me a break. Use a condom, chances are you'll be safe. If you're in a relationship, you and your girl go get tested, she gets on birth control. The odds are in your favor. It's a choice up to the individual, and it isn't a moral one. Yes, there is some risk. It's up to the individual to weigh the risk.

Now I'm sure you disagree with what I've said. You're obviously retarded. But when the deadly H5 BIRD FLU mutates and becomes communicable by humans, will it be immoral to goto work? I'm sure chances of contracting that from an infected co-worker are higher than fucking a dirty whore with a condom. Oh that's right, you said it's not a matter of chance. It must be a matter of you stuck on the idea that sex is bad, dangerous, and scary.
God, you really are a joke.

This isnt about chance, you fucking moron, its about responsibility and the morals that ensue. The chances are you might survive jumping of a 20ft cliff, it doesnt mean you should fucking do it.

Glad Ive found someone stupid enough to not think pregnancy and contraception is a responsible moral issue. It still appears you dont know what morals mean.

this will help you (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/moral)

I have never said, nor do I believe sex is either "bad, dangerous or scary", so you can take your ridiculous and incorrect assumptions and go stick them up your perculated rectum.

Oh, and you IF the bird flu mutates. The experts have said there is no certainty it will. Go sort your facts out ok?

[negatifzeo]

Alright, I'm convinced you're just fucking with me at this point. You saw the same definition. I clicked your fuckin link. My position is indisputable, and unarguable past what I've already said. This is like trying to convince a republican that GWB is a moron. No matter the evidence, no matter what you say, they stick to their guns.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
Alright, I'm convinced you're just fucking with me at this point. You saw the same definition. I clicked your fuckin link. My position is indisputable, and unarguable past what I've already said. This is like trying to convince a republican that GWB is a moron. No matter the evidence, no matter what you say, they stick to their guns.
Ok, so you saw where it said morals are about doing the right thing. Your position is you claim this isnt about morals and therefore isnt about doing the right thing, therefore you are both incorrect and highly unintelligent.

You have no evidence, except the retarded machinations of your own brain.

[BeautifulRefrain]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Well then, you wouldnt get a shag. Im not gonna lose all sensation and have it worthless just because you wont medicate yourself everyday.

The fact is, (in my case at least) it would be better and easier for a girl to use the pill then use a condom. If a girl is too selfish to realise that, then bye, bye.
Condems aren't detrimental to your health.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by BeautifulRefrain
Condems aren't detrimental to your health.
neither is eating with chopsticks.

thanks for that pointless commment.

[Herr Lipp]

Neither are femme-doms Refrain ;)

but what's popping one pill a day whilst not mid coitus compared to at least a 30 second but more likely one minute gap between nuptials followed by a glorified wank sensation for the male? C'mon dude.......

but obviously STI's all that shit blah blah blah if in doubt, don;t whip it out.

[BeautifulRefrain]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
neither is eating with chopsticks.

thanks for that pointless commment.
You know very well what I'm talking about. I'm not risking blood clots and god knows what else so my boyfriend can get off quicker. Yes, I understand where you are coming from and your situation is different... but still the same risks apply for your girlfriend as for everyone else on the pill.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by BeautifulRefrain
You know very well what I'm talking about. I'm not risking blood clots and god knows what else so my boyfriend can get off quicker. Yes, I understand where you are coming from and your situation is different... but still the same risks apply for your girlfriend as for everyone else on the pill.
No pill=no sex. If thats the way you prefer. I still think its selfish.
And those risks are so low as to be regarded as nothing.
Do you never cross the road because of risks?

[Static Split Screen]

Some pills/shots/patches have side effects, some don't. I'm on one now that's fine. The girl doesn't have to stay on shitty birth control, she can always find something else that works for her. It's safer too. I wouldn't want to risk having a baby because some tiny layer of latex had a hole in it.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Static Split Screen
Some pills/shots/patches have side effects, some don't. I'm on one now that's fine. The girl doesn't have to stay on shitty birth control, she can always find something else that works for her. It's safer too. I wouldn't want to risk having a baby because some tiny layer of latex had a hole in it.
Exactly. If they were really a risk, they wouldnt be availiable.
Much better, safer and healthier than using condoms.

[Herr Lipp]

....in a relationship.

Thought I'd add that before someone harps on about AIDS etc.

[BeautifulRefrain]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Exactly. If they were really a risk, they wouldnt be availiable.
Much better, safer and healthier than using condoms.
Doctors (at least in the US) are not allowed to give birth control to smokers over 35 and most avoid giving it to smokers in general. My friend told her doctor she was a smoker and he wouldn't give it to her, and she was only 18 at the time. She found another doctor and lied that time. Also, you are told to pick a five year period to take birth control and then find some other form of contreceptive because its extremely unhealthy to pump your body full of hormones for any longer.

And what do you mean, healthier than condems?

[BeautifulRefrain]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
This poofter came out in sixth form at school (went to a boys school but birds were allowed in the sixth form, think thats why he came out). He only got mildly abused, but we crashed his house party and fucked his house over good. I was throwing garden ornaments through his greenhouse, then threw up on the patio, my mate stole his Courvoisier out of the booze cabinet and hi jacked the queer music on the CD player, and then these other boys we know started booting some blokes car outside and the police got called (the bloke came out and smacked the car-kicker). A groovy night.
Wow. you sir, are cool!

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by BeautifulRefrain
Doctors (at least in the US) are not allowed to give birth control to smokers over 35 and most avoid giving it to smokers in general. My friend told her doctor she was a smoker and he wouldn't give it to her, and she was only 18 at the time. She found another doctor and lied that time. Also, you are told to pick a five year period to take birth control and then find some other form of contreceptive because its extremely unhealthy to pump your body full of hormones for any longer.

And what do you mean, healthier than condems?
More dumb health scares. Female smokers have been taking the pill for DECADES without a problem. There is nothing wrong with it.

Yeah, healthier as you have less chance of getting pregnant, and all the health problems that ensues.

And please spell condom right, thats twice youve got it wrong and its really irritating.

[Mary Alice]

I'm not trying to discourage anyone that's happy with their arrangement whether it's Jackal or Danny.

I posted what I posted to educate though.

How are condoms healthier? Yes there is the mental health aspect related to enjoyment. Healthier in that apect I guess.

But technically there is no comparison to the chemicals that the pill is dumping into your body. When I talk about me being able to feel the affects of the pill I'm not even talking about blood clots. It is replacing hormones in your body. You think that's a little thing? And hormones affect sexual enjoyment so you think the pill doesn't do anything to women's sexual enjoyment?

I just think you should think before you use the word "healthier" - when there are people like Kendra and me with health concerns who have to take medicine to treat taking such a strong medicine as just nothing. It's readily availible (by perscription only here where I'm from) because people want it and think the benefits outweigh the annoyance I guess - that doesn't mean it doesn't affect women or doesn't have detrimetnal affects on women, just that they aren't enough to stop people from taking them. If it had no detrimental effects why would it be suggested not to take it for more than 7 years in a row?

Now there are some people that may be less affected by them than me others with other health problems. And Laura is right about different kinds - the one I'm on now is at least better than the last kind I was on. My doctor actually told me that all kinds were the same though (yeah right - then why are "lo-estrogen" pills advertised? Or some have the same mixture of hormones the whole month like the first kind I took while others have only estrogen in the start and then estrogen and progesterone at the end, like my current, better, kind) I found out about the kind I'm taking now from a friend and just asked my doctor if I could switch...yeah so much for doctors.

So basically if people are fine with the pill I'm happy for them. But it doesn't work that way for everyone, not everyone is totally happy with it, and you shouldn't be surprised considering it's MEDICINE and that's not going to be a viable or easy option for everybody. It's not a "she's being selfish" thing - it's that there are risks, and more than just that of blood clots, especially for people on other medication or with other health issues. At the very least it's an inconvenience, a daily commitment to taking them, and it affects your body no matter who you are so taking them shouldn't be treated like the person is just popping candy.

[Mary Alice]

and like I said my perspecive comes from one who has 1)been on the pill for 10 years straight, every day for 10 years taken the things and 2) couldn't get pregnant anyways.

As much as I hate the things I am taking them because right now I believe my body needs the hormones, I was presribed them by my pediatric endrocrinologist whom I barely saw after that, and at 15 I didn't know the right questions to ask. One day I hope to find a doctor who can answer my questions and tell me if I am doing the right thing by staying on them and if not what are my alternatives.

I admit for my case they may be making me healthier. I know I can feel the hormone in my body and it's highly annoying, and I get really sick if I forget to take one. But then again the alterntive to not taking them could be premature menopause and hot flashes and having annoying hormones is probably better than having none...so...

But I'm just pointing out as someone who knows that they medically affect me, I mean just going from one type of pill to another was a drastic change, to think they don't have that much of an effect on women, and that it is just a cut and dry simple "it's no big deal, she's just popping a pill and that's it, no worries" decision, is ludicrous.

[Static Split Screen]

I've needed to be on them since I was 14 to stabalise my hormones, so I just decided to stay on them. I went off them for a few months and it felt great, I lost weight and my skin was the clearest it's ever been, but then I took the depo shot and the progesterone really didn't agree with me, so now I'm trying to stabalise my hormones by taking the pill again. I don't particularly like taking them, but I like them for my peace of mind.

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Ok, so you saw where it said morals are about doing the right thing. Your position is you claim this isnt about morals and therefore isnt about doing the right thing, therefore you are both incorrect and highly unintelligent.

You have no evidence, except the retarded machinations of your own brain.

Yes, I saw where it said morals are about doing the "right" thing. And sex is not about morals. How is sex right or wrong? People on this board said it(sex) is wrong because there are risks of STD's, unwanted pregnancy, etc. I said there are plenty of ways to mitigate these risks, and explained them. Now, can you please explain to me how an act between two consenting individuals can possibly be decried as immoral? I know a lot of people consider it to be an immoral act, but my position the whole time is that sex has no business being labeled immoral. It is purely amoral, and I beg you, please, using your own definition of morality, explain it to me like I'm a fucking retard why you think sex should be considered immoral.

[Mary Alice]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
I said there are plenty of ways to mitigate these risks, and explained them. Now, can you please explain to me how an act between two consenting individuals can possibly be decried as immoral? I know a lot of people consider it to be an immoral act, but my position the whole time is that sex has no business being labeled immoral.

hmmm I think the first sentence says it all. There are ways to mitigate these risks. So there are moral ways to have sex and immoral ways. Not mitigating these risks could be immoral if you know there's the possibility of hurting someone and you do nothing about it.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Mary Alice
It is replacing hormones in your body. You think that's a little thing? And hormones affect sexual enjoyment so you think the pill doesn't do anything to women's sexual enjoyment?

I just think you should think before you use the word "healthier"

But it doesn't work that way for everyone,

It's not a "she's being selfish" thing -
Yes, I consider that a little thing. Maybe it will help enjoyment, if not try something else.

I did think before using healthier, and Im happy with my choice.

Agreed, I never claimed it did work for anyone.

It is if she has no problems and refuses, so her boyfriend has to suffer condoms for it.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
Yes, I saw where it said morals are about doing the "right" thing. And sex is not about morals. How is sex right or wrong? People on this board said it(sex) is wrong because there are risks of STD's, unwanted pregnancy, etc. I said there are plenty of ways to mitigate these risks, and explained them. Now, can you please explain to me how an act between two consenting individuals can possibly be decried as immoral? I know a lot of people consider it to be an immoral act, but my position the whole time is that sex has no business being labeled immoral. It is purely amoral, and I beg you, please, using your own definition of morality, explain it to me like I'm a fucking retard why you think sex should be considered immoral.
So trying to use contraception and preventing the spread of STD's ISNT about doing the "right" thing?
There are no morals, or "wrongs" and "rights" about transmitting fatal, incurable diseases to another person??

How dumb is that?


Ive never said sex was immoral. I see you failed to read my post, and continue with your wildly incorrect assumptions. How childish.

[BeautifulRefrain]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
More dumb health scares. Female smokers have been taking the pill for DECADES without a problem. There is nothing wrong with it.

And please spell condom right, thats twice youve got it wrong and its really irritating.

Do you understand that in the states we don't have the NHS. We have to pay for birth control. Why would doctors make things up that caused us NOT to give them our money?

"There is nothing wrong with it" ??? Are you just playing stupid or are you in denial?

And I apologize for the 'condem' thing. I can't spell to save my life.

[BeautifulRefrain]

Mary Alice, I can sympathize with your situation. All my life I have had really irregular periods and my mom has been telling me to go on birth control to make me regular. But I've continuousely refrused. Id rather not know if my period was going to come on the 5, the 12, or not at all (preferably the latter). There could be something more serious causing such irregularities, but I doubt it. If it was something more serious, I could understand going on birth control for medicinal purposes. I would obviously stop smoking and just suck it up. But I would never put such things in my body because someone with an insensitive penis asked me to.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by BeautifulRefrain
Do you understand that in the states we don't have the NHS. We have to pay for birth control. Why would doctors make things up that caused us NOT to give them our money?

"There is nothing wrong with it" ??? Are you just playing stupid or are you in denial?

And I apologize for the 'condem' thing. I can't spell to save my life.
Oh, and condoms are free are they? :rolleyes: Either way it costs money, so your point doesnt stand up.

Well if following basic common sense and the facts is playing stupid or being in denial, then i guess i am. But somehow, I doubt that.

Apology accepted.

[BeautifulRefrain]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Oh, and condoms are free are they? :rolleyes: Either way it costs money, so your point doesnt stand up.

Well if following basic common sense and the facts is playing stupid or being in denial, then i guess i am. But somehow, I doubt that.

Apology accepted.
Another thing about the states, we don't buy condoms from a doctors office.

Following basic common sense and the facts? Those are the two things you have been ignoring this whole time.
Are you telling me you are honestly not the slightest bit worried about your girlfriend's health? You are coming across more selfish with each post.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by BeautifulRefrain
Another thing about the states, we don't buy condoms from a doctors office.

Following basic common sense and the facts? Those are the two things you have been ignoring this whole time.
Are you telling me you are honestly not the slightest bit worried about your girlfriend's health? You are coming across more selfish with each post.
Another thing about here, is neither do we.

Dont bullshit. Because Im not over-sensationalising like you, that means Im ignoring common sense and facts. Ok, give me the figures of the total number of contraceptive pills swallowed and the number of women who have suffered serious consequences for it. I shall tell you now it is fuck all.

With fuck all women suffering from it in over 30 years, it can therefore quite rightly be considered that there is nothing wrong with it. THATS following the facts and common sesne. Read and learn.

Dont you start being a lying bitch and claim that I dont care for my girlfriends health. I care very much, which is why I am glad she is on a safe, healthy form of contraceptive pill.

Yeah, thats REAL fucking selfish! :rolleyes:

[BeautifulRefrain]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Another thing about here, is neither do we.

Dont bullshit. Because Im not over-sensationalising like you, that means Im ignoring common sense and facts. Ok, give me the figures of the total number of contraceptive pills swallowed and the number of women who have suffered serious consequences for it. I shall tell you now it is fuck all.

With fuck all women suffering from it in over 30 years, it can therefore quite rightly be considered that there is nothing wrong with it. THATS following the facts and common sesne. Read and learn.

Dont you start being a lying bitch and claim that I dont care for my girlfriends health. I care very much, which is why I am glad she is on a safe, healthy form of contraceptive pill.

Yeah, thats REAL fucking selfish! :rolleyes:
Yeah, I'll run right out and get those figures for you.
All I know is how crap many of my friends have felt while taking it. I have one friend taking Depo, and since she started she has had constant menstral cramps. Needless to say she's an idiot for continuing.

As far as the pregnancey thing... my mom got pregnant with me WHILE on the pill. I know serious advancements have taken place in the pill since then, but the same thing happened to a friend of mine 2 years ago.
There is no need for name calling. I never lied to you.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by BeautifulRefrain
Yeah, I'll run right out and get those figures for you.
All I know is how crap many of my friends have felt while taking it. I have one friend taking Depo, and since she started she has had constant menstral cramps. Needless to say she's an idiot for continuing.

As far as the pregnancey thing... my mom got pregnant with me WHILE on the pill. I know serious advancements have taken place in the pill since then, but the same thing happened to a friend of mine 2 years ago.
There is no need for name calling. I never lied to you.

Awww, feeling crap. Diddums! Condoms feel crap too, making them pointless. Hey I know the pill is far from ideal, but its the best we got right now.

I wasnt calling you a lying bitch, I just said dont be one. It only counts if you are trying to claim I dont care about my girlfriends health.

[BeautifulRefrain]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Awww, feeling crap. Diddums! Condoms feel crap too, making them pointless. Hey I know the pill is far from ideal, but its the best we got right now.

I wasnt calling you a lying bitch, I just said dont be one. It only counts if you are trying to claim I dont care about my girlfriends health.
Feeling crap health-wise, not dick-wise. C'mon now.

I can't claim anything about you. Especially not how you feel about your girlfriend. I'm not pretending to. All I know is how you are coming across to me.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by BeautifulRefrain
Feeling crap health-wise, not dick-wise. C'mon now.

I can't claim anything about you. Especially not how you feel about your girlfriend. I'm not pretending to. All I know is how you are coming across to me.
However-wise, it comes to the same thing.

I dont give a fuck about I come across to you. That gives you no basis whatsoever to make such observations.

[BeautifulRefrain]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
However-wise, it comes to the same thing.

I dont give a fuck about I come across to you. That gives you no basis whatsoever to make such observations.
It comes to the same thing? Are you kidding me?

I wouldn't expect you to care how you come across to me. Caring how I come across to random people on the internet has never come very high on my 'to do' list either.

But please, explain to me how the health risks of taking birth control, however slight they might be, comes to the same thing as you wearing a condom? You lost me on that one.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by BeautifulRefrain
It comes to the same thing? Are you kidding me?

I wouldn't expect you to care how you come across to me. Caring how I come across to random people on the internet has never come very high on my 'to do' list either.

But please, explain to me how the health risks of taking birth control, however slight they might be, comes to the same thing as you wearing a condom? You lost me on that one.
No. But then not having a dick (I presume), you wouldnt understand. Us guys have dicks AND health so we can compare, you cant.

I never said the health risks came to the same. I said that your case for pills making you feel crap(exceptions only) is completely nullified by condoms (always) feeling crap too.

No wonder you were lost, you were inventing it yourself.

[BeautifulRefrain]

All I know is, I don't have to have a dick to know that sex feels better without a condom. I most definately agree with you on that one. But I'm just a little more worried about my health than making sex better.

But I've come to realize we are arguing personal and isolated cases and I've started to loose the point.

I maintain Birth control is not a healthy option. And I personally will never risk taking it as a controceptive.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by BeautifulRefrain
All I know is, I don't have to have a dick to know that sex feels better without a condom. I most definately agree with you on that one. But I'm just a little more worried about my health than making sex better.

But I've come to realize we are arguing personal and isolated cases and I've started to loose the point.

I maintain Birth control is not a healthy option. And I personally will never risk taking it as a controceptive.
Its about making sex possible, not better.

As I said, the pill is no wonderful thing, but it is the best of a bad bunch.

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by BeautifulRefrain
All I know is, I don't have to have a dick to know that sex feels better without a condom. I most definately agree with you on that one. But I'm just a little more worried about my health than making sex better.

But I've come to realize we are arguing personal and isolated cases and I've started to loose the point.

I maintain Birth control is not a healthy option. And I personally will never risk taking it as a controceptive.

You can't endure a little bit of discomfort so that your man can enjoy shagging you? How selfish!

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
So trying to use contraception and preventing the spread of STD's ISNT about doing the "right" thing?
There are no morals, or "wrongs" and "rights" about transmitting fatal, incurable diseases to another person??

How dumb is that?


Ive never said sex was immoral. I see you failed to read my post, and continue with your wildly incorrect assumptions. How childish.

You've obviously failed to read my posts as well, making you even more childish than I! HAHA!

So what the hell are you trying to get across, that there is a moral and immoral way to stick your dick in a woman? No shit!
I wouldn't think it would be necessary to point out something so obvious. If you go back and read my earlier posts (you fucking child), you'll see that this whole time I have been against the broad generalization of sex itself as immoral.

And please, reply with something funny this time. The "God, you are a joke" reply was classic. With this last post, you really lost a lot of steam.

[Jackal]

I've heard of more babies existing because pills didn't work, rather than because of broken condoms.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
You've obviously failed to read my posts as well, making you even more childish than I! HAHA!

So what the hell are you trying to get across, that there is a moral and immoral way to stick your dick in a woman? No shit!
I wouldn't think it would be necessary to point out something so obvious. If you go back and read my earlier posts (you fucking child), you'll see that this whole time I have been against the broad generalization of sex itself as immoral.

And please, reply with something funny this time. The "God, you are a joke" reply was classic. With this last post, you really lost a lot of steam.
No, I obviously havent.
Where is your evidence, liar?
And why does that make me MORE childish than you?

So now you backtrack and contradict yourself because I have proved you an idiot. The funny thing is, now you claim you were saying that all the time! :lol:

Im not here to entertain you, moron. I'll reply with whatever I like.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
So what the hell are you trying to get across, that there is a moral and immoral way to stick your dick in a woman? No shit!
I wouldn't think it would be necessary to point out something so obvious.
Indeed, you not only didnt point it out, but said the exact opposite. Lets look back on your posts shall we.....

Originally posted by negatifzeo
How did sex become such a moral issue?

Indeed...

Originally posted by negatifzeo
SEX should not be a moral issue.

Of course not :rolleyes: My personal fave next....

Originally posted by negatifzeo
Yeah, you COULD get std's, you COULD get someone pregnant. What that got to do with morals?

Oh nothing at all! :lol:

Originally posted by negatifzeo
Yes, I saw where it said morals are about doing the "right" thing. And sex is not about morals. How is sex right or wrong?
I know a lot of people consider it to be an immoral act, but my position the whole time is that sex has no business being labeled immoral. It is purely amoral, and I beg you, please, using your own definition of morality, explain it to me like I'm a fucking retard why you think sex should be considered immoral.

This is great!

Originally posted by negatifzeo
Now, can you please explain to me how an act between two consenting individuals can possibly be decried as immoral?

Hmm, I dunno. I dont suppose two people in the act of muderering another could be considered immoral could it, Mr Moron? ;)


Lets shorten it for your tiny brain...

Originally posted by negatifzeo
So what the hell are you trying to get across, that there is a moral and immoral way to stick your dick in a woman? No shit!

Originally posted by negatifzeo
And sex is not about morals.

add this for good measure...

Originally posted by negatifzeo
My position is indisputable, and unarguable past what I've already said.

Indisputable, yet totally contradictory?
Unarguable, yet absolutely nonsensical? :lol:

Originally posted by negatifzeo
I'm a fucking retard

Thats coming across. :yes:

[BeautifulRefrain]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
You can't endure a little bit of discomfort so that your man can enjoy shagging you? How selfish!
Ok. I realized you were a moron while following your argument with Danny... So let me explain this very plainly.

'A little discomfort' isnt simply a little discomfort. Obviously its your body's way of reacting to something it doesn't like. If I am experiencing internal pain because of a pill of hormones I'm taking... I'd find that more than discomforting.

[negatifzeo]

You've taken snippets of my posts out of context, and it's still obvious that I am right. Sex should not be a moral issue. There is a moral and immoral way to have sex, but that doesn't matter. There are moral and immoral ways to do anything. Business, to use one example out of an infinite number of possible examples. Just because there is an immoral way to do business does not mean business is immoral.

Now that we have established that there is a moral and an immoral way to do nearly anything, I should point out that there are certain immoral acts, regardless of how they are done. I think most people agree that murder is one of these acts. Sex is not. Again, my position here is indisputable. Unless you happen to be retarded, which you are. Sucks to be you.

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by BeautifulRefrain
Ok. I realized you were a moron while following your argument with Danny... So let me explain this very plainly.

'A little discomfort' isnt simply a little discomfort. Obviously its your body's way of reacting to something it doesn't like. If I am experiencing internal pain because of a pill of hormones I'm taking... I'd find that more than discomforting.

You're pathetic. Think about why I would call you pathetic before you respond, and if you can't figure it out, get back to me.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
You've taken snippets of my posts out of context, and it's still obvious that I am right. Sex should not be a moral issue. There is a moral and immoral way to have sex, but that doesn't matter. There are moral and immoral ways to do anything. Business, to use one example out of an infinite number of possible examples. Just because there is an immoral way to do business does not mean business is immoral.

Now that we have established that there is a moral and an immoral way to do nearly anything, I should point out that there are certain immoral acts, regardless of how they are done. I think most people agree that murder is one of these acts. Sex is not. Again, my position here is indisputable. Unless you happen to be retarded, which you are. Sucks to be you.
I took you EXACTLY as i said. Dont lie and say i "took you out of context" without any evidence.
How have I taken you out of context? You dont even bother to defend yourself for fucks sake, you just attack with desperation.

Again, you have a made a tit out of yourself for everyone to see. Thanks for the laugh! :yes:

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
You're pathetic. Think about why I would call you pathetic before you respond, and if you can't figure it out, get back to me.
Again, just insults without anything behind it. The tactics of a child, and not even an intelligent child either.

Such a shame.

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
I took you EXACTLY as i said. Dont lie and say i "took you out of context" without any evidence.
How have I taken you out of context? You dont even bother to defend yourself for fucks sake, you just attack with desperation.

Again, you have a made a tit out of yourself for everyone to see. Thanks for the laugh! :yes:

Oh, please. At least you tried to argue with me in your past posts, but finally, you've ignored my post completely and resorted to a pathetic attempt at a childish insult. The post you replied to was the most basic explanation of my position, I don't think there's any way it could be misinterpreted as the last ones were. And it's obvious you took quotes from me out of context, I didn't think it was necessary to point that out, but obviously, I gave you too much credit.(Which is embarrassing on my end, your inability to understand the simplest of ideas proved your retardation, yet for some reason, I thought maybe you just had difficulty understanding the English language. I was wrong.)

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Again, just insults without anything behind it. The tactics of a child, and not even an intelligent child either.

Such a shame.

And here you are, defending some nitwit too stupid to recognize a blatant joke. What a shame.

[BeautifulRefrain]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
And here you are, defending some nitwit too stupid to recognize a blatant joke. What a shame.
first of all, I'm sure he wasn't defending me... just keeping up your guys' mutual attack.
Another thing... Danny was saying exactly what you said... and he was completely serious... so I figured you had the same take on things. Also, sarcasm is a little hard to detect in writing.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
Oh, please. At least you tried to argue with me in your past posts, but finally, you've ignored my post completely and resorted to a pathetic attempt at a childish insult. The post you replied to was the most basic explanation of my position, I don't think there's any way it could be misinterpreted as the last ones were. And it's obvious you took quotes from me out of context, I didn't think it was necessary to point that out, but obviously, I gave you too much credit.(Which is embarrassing on my end, your inability to understand the simplest of ideas proved your retardation, yet for some reason, I thought maybe you just had difficulty understanding the English language. I was wrong.)
IMPORTANT QUESTION: How can I quote you in saying "took you out of context" yet ignore your post completely? Are you trying to claim you DIDNT say that? No, youre just full of shit.

I asked you a question in my previous post, but you have completely ignored it. SO since you have such difficulty reading, I shall highlight it in capitals for you. Im nice like that :-D

It was a basic explaination of someone who is contradicting themselves.

I shall ask again.

HOW DID I TAKE YOU OUT OF CONTEXT? DID YOU SAY THOSE THINGS OR NOT?

Making pathetic claims with no evidence again? I pity you and your tiny, dumb brain. It must be hard for you.


But anyway, congratulations on making yourself look a bigger and bigger dumbfuck by digging your hole further and further.

Im enjoying your squirming. :-D

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
And here you are, defending some nitwit too stupid to recognize a blatant joke. What a shame.
Again, no evidence! Youre like a child. You just say stuff, cross your fingers and hope it comes true.
How is she a nitwit?
How do you know she didnt recognise the joke?
What joke?

Oh I can answer the last one. Its you! I dont think ive seen a better example of a blatant joke. Cool, what do i win?

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
IMPORTANT QUESTION: How can I quote you in saying "took you out of context" yet ignore your post completely? Are you trying to claim you DIDNT say that? No, youre just full of shit.

I asked you a question in my previous post, but you have completely ignored it. SO since you have such difficulty reading, I shall highlight it in capitals for you. Im nice like that :-D

It was a basic explaination of someone who is contradicting themselves.

I shall ask again.

HOW DID I TAKE YOU OUT OF CONTEXT? DID YOU SAY THOSE THINGS OR NOT?

Making pathetic claims with no evidence again? I pity you and your tiny, dumb brain. It must be hard for you.


But anyway, congratulations on making yourself look a bigger and bigger dumbfuck by digging your hole further and further.

Im enjoying your squirming. :-D

Jesus Christ. What, it's my job to fucking educate you now on what "out of context" means? Fuck. This is becoming a hassle, but I'll do it anyways, just because I'm an All-American hero. Here, I'll do what you did earlier and quote the dictionary. (Although when you did it, you un-knowingly proved my point and looked like an ass)

Context:The part of a text or statement that surrounds a particular word or passage and determines its meaning.

You quoted earlier posts out of context. In other words, you quoted parts of the post, but not the WHOLE post. Why don't you do me a favor and show me how I have contradicted myself, because I'd love to see it.

At any rate, I've made the point I was trying to make. Maybe I didn't effectively communicate my point in earlier posts. This is possible, but I think it is probably your lack of intellectual capacity or ability to think before you talk. You're certainly not without company, so don't feel bad.

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Again, no evidence! Youre like a child. You just say stuff, cross your fingers and hope it comes true.
How is she a nitwit?
How do you know she didnt recognise the joke?
What joke?

Oh I can answer the last one. Its you! I dont think ive seen a better example of a blatant joke. Cool, what do i win?

No evidence? Again, scroll up the page and read what you're replying to. Here, I'll make it easier for you.
I posted
You can't endure a little bit of discomfort so that your man can enjoy shagging you? How selfish!
(An obvious joke. How can you tell it's a joke? Because it's fucking funny.)

Beautiful Refrain posted
Ok. I realized you were a moron while following your argument with Danny... So let me explain this very plainly. 'A little discomfort' isnt simply a little discomfort. Obviously its your body's way of reacting to something it doesn't like. If I am experiencing internal pain because of a pill of hormones I'm taking... I'd find that more than discomforting.

You asked for your 'proof', there you go. Next time save me the trouble, and do what's commonly called "reading".

[Fab]

so, regardless of the to-ing and fro-ing of whether or not anybody got whether it was a joke or not, we'll assume for a second that it was. If indeed it was a joke, you had no valid response to the actual point?

Also, I think no one here is saying that they think sex is inherently immoral, the entire point is that it can be. If it can be immoral then it's a moral issue, I really can't see any two ways about it. You mention the running of a business, well people running a business will have to make countless descisions weighing up the balance of cutting corners etc. over production costs and how much to charge for their service, that's applicable for pretty much every business you could care to name, therefore the running a business is a moral issue.

Anyway, I generally can't be arsed with these threads so I probably won't check back again.

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by Fab
so, regardless of the to-ing and fro-ing of whether or not anybody got whether it was a joke or not, we'll assume for a second that it was. If indeed it was a joke, you had no valid response to the actual point?

Also, I think no one here is saying that they think sex is inherently immoral, the entire point is that it can be. If it can be immoral then it's a moral issue, I really can't see any two ways about it. You mention the running of a business, well people running a business will have to make countless descisions weighing up the balance of cutting corners etc. over production costs and how much to charge for their service, that's applicable for pretty much every business you could care to name, therefore the running a business is a moral issue.

Anyway, I generally can't be arsed with these threads so I probably won't check back again.
No, I had no response to the actual point she was making other than the joke. Sue me. Good points though. That's a good argument for running a business being a moral issue, but I don't think it's deserving of the same classification as sex. I'm talking about people getting wound up about it, like Jocelyn Elders getting fired for encouraging education about masturbation and this type of thing. You don't see this type of hysteria over corrupt business practices, though I wish we did. And it all comes around full circle to my original queestion, Why is sex such an issue? I really think the priorities are out of wack here. Thanks to the religious nut-jobs, mainly.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
Jesus Christ. What, it's my job to fucking educate you now on what "out of context" means? Fuck. This is becoming a hassle, but I'll do it anyways, just because I'm an All-American hero. Here, I'll do what you did earlier and quote the dictionary. (Although when you did it, you un-knowingly proved my point and looked like an ass)

Context:The part of a text or statement that surrounds a particular word or passage and determines its meaning.

You quoted earlier posts out of context. In other words, you quoted parts of the post, but not the WHOLE post. Why don't you do me a favor and show me how I have contradicted myself, because I'd love to see it.

At any rate, I've made the point I was trying to make. Maybe I didn't effectively communicate my point in earlier posts. This is possible, but I think it is probably your lack of intellectual capacity or ability to think before you talk. You're certainly not without company, so don't feel bad.
Oh dear Dufus, you really have a problem. No, that isnt your job at all. Your job is to be a imbecile who looks dumb, and I must say you do it well.

if my question had been: WHAT DOES OUT OF CONTEXT MEAN? then yes you would be correct. If you could read you would notice my question was: HOW HAVE I TAKEN YOU OUT OF CONTEXT?

A very different question indeed. I see you actually have attempted (very poorly) to address this point. Maybe there is some hope for you Mr Moron.

I have already showed how you have contradicting yourself by highlighting your quotes and where they contradict. I even shortened it for your idiotic brain. But then, you have already shown your reading ability is severly lacking, so I understand youre to stupid to notice.

I hope the point you were trying to make is that you have an IQ of 12, but that is the only point you have made. Dont worry, I only feel bad for you and your stupidity.

Ready for the next question?:

HOW DOES MY HIGHLIGHTING SECTIONS OF YOUR POSTS RELATE TO ME TAKEN YOU OUT OF CONTEXT?


Dont worry, Im not relying an an idiot like you to answer, I know already. Everyone else knows already. I just want to see how much further you can dig in this hole of yours.
(For answer see bottom)
































(A. It doesnt. Youre a lying sack of shit) :)

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
No evidence? Again, scroll up the page and read what you're replying to. Here, I'll make it easier for you.
I posted

(An obvious joke. How can you tell it's a joke? Because it's fucking funny.)

Beautiful Refrain posted


You asked for your 'proof', there you go. Next time save me the trouble, and do what's commonly called "reading".
Yes. No evidence. Dont tell me you dont know what evidnece means now. Fucking hell, your education is atrocious!

a) It isnt an obvious joke. I dont see where it says "this is a joke"
b) Its only funny because it makes you look stupid. This does not make it a joke, it makes YOU the joke. People are not laughing at what you said, they are laughing at you.

Where do I go? Im still waiting for my proof. OK, I accept you have provided evidence here that you are moron, but I asking for evidence that it was a joke. Thats "it" , not "you". Dont get all confused on me again.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
I don't think it's deserving of the same classification as sex.
yet it was you who first made the comparison. Sinking deeper in your hole!

Please keep going, Im really enjoying your stupidity. :)

[Fab]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
yet it was you who first made the comparison.

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
yet it was you who first made the comparison. Sinking deeper in your hole!

Please keep going, Im really enjoying your stupidity. :)

The comparison was made to prove it doesn't belong in the same category!!! And you call me stupid. Unbelievable. And you even have someone replying, giving you a fucking thumbs up. Morons.

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Yes. No evidence. Dont tell me you dont know what evidnece means now. Fucking hell, your education is atrocious!

a) It isnt an obvious joke. I dont see where it says "this is a joke"
b) Its only funny because it makes you look stupid. This does not make it a joke, it makes YOU the joke. People are not laughing at what you said, they are laughing at you.

Where do I go? Im still waiting for my proof. OK, I accept you have provided evidence here that you are moron, but I asking for evidence that it was a joke. Thats "it" , not "you". Dont get all confused on me again.

The joke was pure comedy gold. If you didn't find it funny, oh well. And laugh at me all you want, I enjoy entertaining the mentally disabled.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
The comparison was made to prove it doesn't belong in the same category!!! And you call me stupid. Unbelievable. And you even have someone replying, giving you a fucking thumbs up. Morons.
That doesnt make any sense. You make a comparison to show there is no similarity?

Your sense of logic is absolutely shocking, does your mum still breast-feed you or what?

Or maybe you just dont have a clue what these words mean, and youre just spouting crap to try and look big.

Well, youve failed, everyone can quite clearly see youre a total and utter idiot.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
The joke was pure comedy gold. If you didn't find it funny, oh well. And laugh at me all you want, I enjoy entertaining the mentally disabled.
No, it wasnt. It was childish, idiotic and pathetic. Just because one solitary moron, who posts it himself is so dumb he laughs at his own posts, does not make it comedy gold. It makes you a liar.

I can see how you like to entertain the mentally disabled, being one of them, but.

STOP AVOIDING MY QUESTIONS ASSHOLE.

You still have a lot of explaining to do, and running away from the questions like the little chicken-shit will not be tolerated.

A liar, a coward AND a moron. You have my sympathy.

[Fab]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
The comparison was made to prove it doesn't belong in the same category!!! And you call me stupid. Unbelievable. And you even have someone replying, giving you a fucking thumbs up. Morons. sir, i think you'll find you made the comparison to say that there is a moral and immoral way to do nearly anything, (you then mentioned that some things are inherently immoral, but that's not the point of this). Now, I illustrated that if there is a moral or immoral way to do something, it becomes a moral issue, you've not argued that there isn't an immoral way to go about sex and you'd be an idiot to do so. Therefore, sex is a moral issue, unless you think we're still in the 70's, STDs don't exist and the pill in magical.

[sleepy sinner]

Of course men are equally responsible. NO pregnancy nor risk nor fear of pregnancy would ever occur if men did not possess sperm, nor place sperm in the vaginal tract. Women may have the uterus but we don't have the sperm, that's all yours! We're not solely responsible just because the child happens to be able to grow best in our bodies, after MUTUAL participation in conception occurs.

Birth control should be considered protection for both women AND men against unwanted pregnancy. If any dude got me pregnant (not likely as I'm smart and careful about my body) and something happened to make me have to keep the child there is no WAY he'd get off scot free. He'd pay support for the rest of his life. Or he'd pay half for an abortion and all associated medical costs. If I was being totally consistent, I'd make my boyfriends share the cost of the pill because that's completely within my rights. Women have enough disproportionate financial burdens to deal with without having to solely finance birth control in a relationship.

I think we need to promote the sense that, if you're male and don't want a child, YOU take responsibility. Why is it you can pompously tell women not to 'leave your fate in the hands of other people' but then you guys are doing the same thing by saying it's the woman's responsibility? Is it really that you just don't give a shit if you land someone else with a child neither of you want?

Just ensure before you have sex that both or one of you are using birth control and sharing the cost in a way that suits you. It's really that simple and easy to be fair.

And if you don't like using condoms, I do hope the women you sleep with are smart enough to demand STI test results before you hook up.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by Fab
sir, i think you'll find you made the comparison to say that there is a moral and immoral way to do nearly anything, (you then mentioned that some things are inherently immoral, but that's not the point of this). Now, I illustrated that if there is a moral or immoral way to do something, it becomes a moral issue, you've not argued that there isn't an immoral way to go about sex and you'd be an idiot to do so. Therefore, sex is a moral issue, unless you think we're still in the 70's, STDs don't exist and the pill in magical.
Frank, youre still not getting it!
Its only a suitable comparison if HE is doing it. If you use it back on him to show where he fucked up it doesnt count.

God himself gave him a divine right to pick and choose which bits to keep and which to ignore. You cant deny him that! :rolleyes:

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Fab
unless you think we're still in the 70's, STDs don't exist and the pill in magical.


oh shit!

[BeautifulRefrain]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
oh shit!
lol

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
That doesnt make any sense. You make a comparison to show there is no similarity?

Your sense of logic is absolutely shocking, does your mum still breast-feed you or what?

Or maybe you just dont have a clue what these words mean, and youre just spouting crap to try and look big.

Well, youve failed, everyone can quite clearly see youre a total and utter idiot.

Wow. You've got shit for brains. Once again, I urge you to go ahead and "read" what I've been saying. This doesn't mean the individual words, this means sentences. It's a skill called reading comprehension, which you obviously don't have. Look at the comparison. I compared sex, The "moral issue" each of you apprently has nightmares about, to business. I did this because you people keep saying that if something can be done immorally, it must be a moral issue. But it's not. Where is the public outcry about immoral business practices? The answer there is there isn't one, at least not that can be compared to sex. So "business" is not a moral issue. Do the monkeys understand me now? You can sit there and say anything can be a moral issue. You're right, anything CAN be a moral issue. But not anything is, and my point is that society is freaking out about sex for no reason. You can see the story on the drudge report (http://www.drudgereport.com) right now, More kids in high school are having sex! Oh my God! It's a fucking emergency, someone needs to stop it! Give me a break.

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by sleepy sinner
Women have enough disproportionate financial burdens to deal with without having to solely finance birth control in a relationship.


Yeah, like free dinner and getting showered with gifts. It must suck.

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
No, it wasnt. It was childish, idiotic and pathetic. Just because one solitary moron, who posts it himself is so dumb he laughs at his own posts, does not make it comedy gold. It makes you a liar.



I can see how you like to entertain the mentally disabled, being one of them, but.


Nu-uh, YOU ARE!

STOP AVOIDING MY QUESTIONS ASSHOLE.

You still have a lot of explaining to do, and running away from the questions like the little chicken-shit will not be tolerated.



:pinkeleph :lol:

What? Will not be tolerated? Regardless of how you feel about my comedy, I give must give you credit for this nugget.

[Fab]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
Where is the public outcry about immoral business practices? The answer there is there isn't one, at least not that can be compared to sex. no it can't, the outcry about immoral business practices is much more severe and can be seen yearly in the London riots, speaking soley from England. Then on top of that there are all the people who are around in town trying to get me to boycott Thomas Cook, HMV and loads of other businesses. Sure, there are no riots about sex, and no one's yet apporached me to try abstaining based purely on moral as opposed to religious grounds, but I think this is enough to invalidate your point.

This is why I don't bother with these threads. Christ, if someone can be affected negatively by something someone else is doing, explain to me how it's not a moral issue.

And as for the more kids in high school having sex, tell me it's not a problem when teenage pregnancies soar and STDs become more and more common. It's not the highschool kids having sex that's the problem, but the problems inherent to sex are.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Fab
Sure, there are no riots about sex
I'm trying to think of a reason to start one.

[Fab]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
I'm trying to think of a reason to start one. we don't need a reason!

[ramblingrose]

You made me blush, damn you.

I think maybe next time there's a religious maniac prowling around outside WHSmiths would be a good time.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
I did this because you people keep saying that if something can be done immorally, it must be a moral issue.
Thats exactly what makes it a moral issue, shithead! Did you actually get any education? Or are you a professional idiot?

Way to miss the point entirely, moron. I have quite obviously read the bullshit you attempt to pass in your posts, and I have destroyed it every step of the way. You constantly contradict yourself with double standards, all I have to do is point out your errors.


The most euphamistic I can be is say you have no idea of word defenitions. Its the fact you spout such laughable crap and go against the very logic of the meaning.

Your ignorance and stupidity is one thing, but harp on with such bigotry is truly, truly dumb.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
Nu-uh, YOU ARE!
[B]


:pinkeleph :lol:

What? Will not be tolerated? Regardless of how you feel about my comedy, I give must give you credit for this nugget.
Congratulations on the most childish comment on blamo. What are you, 3 years old?


This "nugget" is the request for the answer to the question, that you STILL havent answered. Thats not exactly hilarious now is it? But then, as youve proven, your sense of comedy is nothing short of pathetic.

So why arent you answering it, coward? Awww, is the little boy too scared? :lol:

You can keep avoiding all you want, but you and your views just look more and more idiotic, the more you attempt to avoid the question, and that suits me fine. :)

Dont think you keep burying your head in the sand to avoid your humilation and hoping it will go away, because i wont. :-D

One more time, in capitals for your miniscule brain:

HOW DID I TAKE YOU OUT OF CONTEXT?

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by Fab
no it can't, the outcry about immoral business practices is much more severe and can be seen yearly in the London riots, speaking soley from England. Then on top of that there are all the people who are around in town trying to get me to boycott Thomas Cook, HMV and loads of other businesses. Sure, there are no riots about sex, and no one's yet apporached me to try abstaining based purely on moral as opposed to religious grounds, but I think this is enough to invalidate your point.

Well, if these riots do take place in England, good for England. Here in the states we may have WTO protests in Seattle, but they are ignored by the media. Business practices are just not presented as a moral issue here the way that sex is. Maybe it's a lot different in England than it is here, I don't know. Maybe this is why you can't seem to understand me. Here, Jocelyn Elders was fucking fired from her job as surgeon general because she suggested that kids be tought about masturbation in sex ed class. Here, sex on tv is a huge issue. Remember the super bowl and Janet Jackson's nipple?? Remember the huge outcry, and the stricter media policies afterwards? Remember Howard Stern, and all his trouble with the FCC? It seems like America has a national phobia of sex. Violence, that's no problem! But sex! OH MY GOD, NO! Why, that's a MORAL ISSUE! This is why I said I was sick of sex being portrayed as a moral issue. Invalidates my point? It does nothing of the sort.



This is why I don't bother with these threads. Christ, if someone can be affected negatively by something someone else is doing, explain to me how it's not a moral issue.

And as for the more kids in high school having sex, tell me it's not a problem when teenage pregnancies soar and STDs become more and more common. It's not the highschool kids having sex that's the problem, but the problems inherent to sex are.

Maybe the definition of "moral issue" is the problem here. I'm talking about things that people make a big deal about, as a society, in the media, etc. And who fucking cares if more high school students are having sex? They've been taught to use condoms, they've been taught to use birth control. Any consequences they suffer are their own fault, they can't claim ignorance. What are you gonna do, criminalize sex? No, obviously not. So why is everyone making an issue out of it? What the fuck are you gonna do about it? Maybe if everyone could get over sex they could focus on the important issues and try and improve society.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
Yeah, like free dinner and getting showered with gifts. It must suck.
Careful! I think this is another of the morons attmept at his "comedy".

Dont let the fact we all know he is a dumbass and that it isnt funny in the slightest take away from just how pathetic and backwards that comment is.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by negatifzeo
Maybe the definition of "moral issue" is the problem here.
Me too. I suggest you look it up.

[negatifzeo]

Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Thats exactly what makes it a moral issue, shithead! Did you actually get any education? Or are you a professional idiot?

Wow. Did you just ignore my whole post and then quote only what you think will help you in your argument? Ah, I think you did! If you go back. and re-read(again, you need to hone your reading comp. skills) you can see my point. Sex is (un-necessarily) brought to the forefront as a major moral issue, whereas violence, business practices, and basically ANYTHING(since you seem to think that everything in the world is a moral issue) is pushed back. Note that when I say moral issue, I mean moral issue. Not everything that can be done in an immoral way is a moral issue, because not everything is made into a moral issue by society the way that sex is. To clarify, I don't dispute the fact that sex is a moral issue. I'm saying it should not be.


The most euphamistic I can be is say you have no idea of word defenitions (sic). Its the fact you spout such laughable crap and go against the very logic of the meaning.

Your ignorance and stupidity is one thing, but harp on with such bigotry is truly, truly dumb.
1. Bigotry-The attitude, state of mind, or behavior characteristic of a bigot; intolerance.

2. Bigot-One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

I am not a bigot. I am not intolerant of you for differences of opinion. The fact that I am still posting in this thread is proof enough of that. My problem is your inability to understand what I'm saying, which may be due to my inability eo effectively communicate via writing, or it may be to your own stubborness or stupidity. It's probably a combination of these.

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Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
Congratulations on the most childish comment on blamo. What are you, 3 years old?

That was the point, as it was in response to a similar comment made by you. Your inability to