I listened to TFE today...

[Atomsk Iscariot]

And I still like it. A lot.

Sorry Kris, but your prediction that this record would eventually turn to liquid shit in our ears (just like MSOTS) fails to hold up. At least in my case.

I discovered something while listening to it, too. Even two months after the record's release, I can't accurately say whether TFE is better or worse than the Pumpkins, because it's just so goddamned different from the Pumpkins stuff. And I find that wonderful.

"Now (and Then)" takes me to special places.

That is all.

[TheImplodingVoice]

I listen to the whole thing regularly...

[Ash]

Ok folks, let's get this in writing shall we? I'm sick of people insisting that TheFutureEmbrace is fantastic, and anywhere near the same level as the Pumpkins' work.

Fact : TheFutureEmbrace is a bland, boring, and uncomfortable sounding album. It has a total of 3 good songs (TheCameraEye, DIA, and Pretty, Pretty STAR). There are a handful of average tracks, but it's the real shitters of songs that weigh the album down until it sinks into patheticness. And there are a lot of them - All Things Change, A100, Now (And Then), I'm Ready, Walking Shade, and Sorrows (In Blue).

People need to stop praising this thing simply because it's got Billy Corgan's name on the cover. I'd bet my first born that in 6 months time, the number of people who come to terms with the above fact will increase considerably.

[TheImplodingVoice]

Originally posted by Ash
Ok folks, let's get this in writing shall we? I'm sick of people insisting that TheFutureEmbrace is fantastic, and anywhere near the same level as the Pumpkins' work.

Fact : TheFutureEmbrace is a bland, boring, and uncomfortable sounding album. It has a total of 3 good songs (TheCameraEye, DIA, and Pretty, Pretty STAR). There are a handful of average tracks, but it's the real shitters of songs that weigh the album down until it sinks into patheticness. And there are a lot of them - All Things Change, A100, Now (And Then), I'm Ready, Walking Shade, and Sorrows (In Blue).

People need to stop praising this thing simply because it's got Billy Corgan's name on the cover. I'd bet my first born that in 6 months time, the number of people who come to terms with the above fact will increase considerably.

OMFG YOURE RIGHT I WAS TERRIBLY WRONG!!!

[TheImplodingVoice]

Really...I'm not a fanboy or anything like that (I despise some Corgan's work like Zwan and his "poetry") but I find this record appealing. This kind of vehement posts just make you look like those Pitchfork cunts... Its ok if you dont like it, but stop being a crying baby about it...its awkward and moronic

[TheImplodingVoice]

or dont...

[Celluloid Love]

Originally posted by TheImplodingVoice
poetry
*Peotry

[TheImplodingVoice]

Originally posted by Copywrite Nigga
*Peotry

Yeah...I think I actually prefer Andy's

[It's Harry!]

Andres. I 100% agree with you. Don't like it? Fine. But don't be all Kris K, and be like Pitchfork in a human body. Fuck man, nobody gives any REASONS why they don't like albums anymore. So it's like ok to be pretentious when you trash an album.

[Noshus Klam]

Originally posted by Ash
Ok folks, let's get this in writing shall we? I'm sick of people insisting that TheFutureEmbrace is fantastic, and anywhere near the same level as the Pumpkins' work.

Fact : TheFutureEmbrace is a bland, boring, and uncomfortable sounding album. It has a total of 3 good songs (TheCameraEye, DIA, and Pretty, Pretty STAR). There are a handful of average tracks, but it's the real shitters of songs that weigh the album down until it sinks into patheticness. And there are a lot of them - All Things Change, A100, Now (And Then), I'm Ready, Walking Shade, and Sorrows (In Blue).

People need to stop praising this thing simply because it's got Billy Corgan's name on the cover. I'd bet my first born that in 6 months time, the number of people who come to terms with the above fact will increase considerably.

Word

Such a mediocore and boring album.

[inkblotter]

Originally posted by Atomsk Iscariot
And I still like it. A lot.

Sorry Kris, but your prediction that this record would eventually turn to liquid shit in our ears (just like MSOTS) fails to hold up. At least in my case.



:yes:

I agree. The vocals have a tensile energy that fits into the mechanization of the rest of the music in a satisfying way--the almost automatic force of the rhythm and guitar sequences dictating the vocals and such. A lot of the initial criticism of the album seemed to point to lyrical shortcomings, but it seems like the overall purpose demands abbreviated or vague lyrics to emphasize the ultimate control of the non-human musical elements.

And you could maybe interpret some deeper meaning from that--that technology has become something that humans now live to the rhythm of rather than control, or that the technologized (a real word?) world is part of an even more technical divine plan in which human invention is only a part, etc..

In another thread (yes, much too lazy to find it) somebody clever pointed out that Real Love from Machina II was a "wall" of "brittle" sound, and that the production seemed appropriate. I think TFE follows a similar aesthetic--only allowing a little more access into the sound, opening up the "wall" while maintaining the brittleness and rigidity of the individual working parts.

In other words, OMG its like totally teh machine from teh machina mystery...

[Herr Lipp]

Originally posted by Ash
And there are a lot of them - All Things Change, A100, Now (And Then), I'm Ready, Walking Shade, and Sorrows (In Blue).

I dont like A100 or Walking Shade, but the others are cool. Or maybe it's not "rockin" enough for you? Who aare your influences?

Your post lacked substance my friend, I dont mind if you dont like the album, but don't insist it IS shit when you can't prove otherwise. You're forgetting that what you think in your head is your opinion, not the truth.

And liking it because its got cr0gans name on it? bulloni man. most of my friends, upon scanning through my CD's, go "Billy Corgan?! Who?" to which I usually look a bit forlorn and try and dodge the issue!! heh heh

At the end of the day, Kris has said he doesnt like it because it's electronic, and that's cool, he likes harder shit more. I happen to like Electronic music, and therefore see this album as a decent piece of work, that is somewhat original (even if crogans 80's influences can be heard throughout) and completely seperate from the pumpkins.

[Noshus Klam]

Since when did someone have to prove that they don't like something?

What's this board comming to?

"No, your logic is wrong, you love the album!! nan nah nah, i'm mexican, hoo ho hoooo"

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally posted by Kris K
Since when did someone have to prove that they don't like something? He started his post with "Fact: ..." while it was just his opinion. I think that's what the other guy was talking about.

[Herr Lipp]

read my post again, foo'. im saying it's wrong for this new zealand chap to say the album 'IS' bad without 'think' being involved in teh sentence. So what if he doesnt like the album? no one cares, and he's choosing a stupid place to talk about it, dont ya think? what can be his only aim from badmouthing TFE on a Crogan board? to me, he's either trying to get a rise, or he's a fucking silly cunt. It'd be like me spreading religous hatred messages on a fucking Islamic website...retarded.

erggh I hate getting into music discussions on this board, cos most of you listen to music I can;t even stand :O

[Noshus Klam]

The fans won the law suit against Billy.

[Herr Lipp]

really?

he should only have to pay them back face value. theyre the retards that paid the touts thousands

[Noshus Klam]

Yeah. Then again, Billy is the retard who can't make up his mind about anything for more than 2 days.

The fans who are suing and Billy Corgan should all be locked into a room and be forced to listen to recordings of Corgan's poetry for two weeks.

[Zen Acolyte]

Originally posted by TheImplodingVoice
I listen to the whole thing regularly...

yep.

[K Kristoferson]

I just dig the instrumentation; there were some things I wasn't sure about while listening to the album at first, especially if you link it to "rocking" Pumpkins, but I think it's fantastic and Corgan's most focused work (if not his most "sublime" work) since "Mellon Collie". It's a wonderful headphones record, and my personal favorite at the moment for running around the lake at 4:00 a.m.

Only the new Sleater-Kinney and Ravonettes have really caught my ear this year on a similar level.

[Herr Lipp]

Originally posted by Leverkuhn
It's a wonderful headphones record, and my personal favorite at the moment for running around the lake at 4:00 a.m.


what are you insane?! (in reference to the lake, not TFE)

[TheImplodingVoice]

Originally posted by Kris K
Since when did someone have to prove that they don't like something?

What's this board comming to?

"No, your logic is wrong, you love the album!! nan nah nah, i'm mexican, hoo ho hoooo"

Is my english that bad or are you really that retarded? (I'm not trying to start and argument so dont go danny on me please)

[Mary Alice]

the fans won the lawsuit? Seriously? Where did you hear that (link maybe)? I hate to hear that because I thought it was stupid of them to sue him in the first place.

I like TFE. Camera Eye is probably my favorite. I usually listen to Camera Eye, DIA, and I'm Ready. I really like To Love Somebody but it's kinda sad and it bugs me because I can't bring myself to listen to it when my mom's home. She liked Michael Bolton back in the day and I had to hear his version one too many times and when she's home I think of Michael Bolton's version (blech). It is a good song, and I think Billy did a good job with the cover, it's a shame I have that connotation in my head.

If I'm in the right mood I can listen to the whole thing. Just the other day I put it on intending to just listen to my 3 usual songs and I just couldn't skip and listened to the whole thing. It was good.

It's not the best thing he's ever done, which I think is a lot of people's problem, and it is different from his other stuff. But like Adore did, it's growing on me still and has it's own charm. It's far from bad.

[Daysleeper]

I listen to the album every now and again on the way to work...it's ok, but it aint brilliant....there's no passion left....But Camera Eye, Mina Loy and WalkingShade are fantastic....He needs to be in a band, not a solo artist. I think he works better when bouncing off other musicians....I don't care to much for the way he sings anymore...he tries to sing 'proper', if that makes any sense...:rolleyes:

[Cool As Ice Cream]

I think the album is very good. My favorites are All Things Change and Strayz. But I like most stuff in between too. Especially The CameraEye.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

.

[Jackal]

I listened to it yesterday for the first time in 2 weeks. I still love The Camera Eye, Mina Loy, All Things Change, and Strayz. The beauty of Now (and Then) really gets me everytime. It feels passionate to me, just calmly so.

I find the album can stand on it's own, it's nice, good music.

I love the heavy guitar, screaming, angry Billy who yells fuck all the time too. :)

[Cool As Ice Cream]

We like the same songs!

[Chopstick]

Originally posted by TheImplodingVoice
Really...I'm not a fanboy or anything like that (I despise some Corgan's work like Zwan and his "poetry") but I find this record appealing. This kind of vehement posts just make you look like those Pitchfork cunts... Its ok if you dont like it, but stop being a crying baby about it...its awkward and moronic
Actually, Pitchfork gave TFE one of its best reviews, but even that was an average review. I like a lot of things about the album, but it's been a couple of weeks since I've listened to it.

[Fab]

It's grown on me, though there are still a good few songs I can't be arsed with.

[Ash]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak

Your post lacked substance my friend, I dont mind if you dont like the album, but don't insist it IS shit when you can't prove otherwise.


Seeing as though opinions are neither right nor wrong and therefore there is no way of proving either, why shouldn't I insist that the album is shit? Can't I stand firmly behind my opinion? Does the word 'think' really mean fuck all? In a thread about the opinions of this album, shouldn't the word 'think' be taken for granted?

The album is shit not because I don't like the style, or the sound, or anything like that. It is shit because the songs are badly written songs. They're just boring. I love the Pumpkins, I even love the odd Zwan song, and my music collection covers a wide range of styles and genres. But songs like I'm Ready and All Things Change bore me senseless.

I guarantee you that if TheFutureEmbrace was the debut album by a completely unknown artist, no one would give a flying fuck and the artist would be dropped by their record label 6 months later.

[shakedown1979]

TFE = owns you all

[Atomsk Iscariot]

Originally posted by Ash
Seeing as though opinions are neither right nor wrong and therefore there is no way of proving either, why shouldn't I insist that the album is shit? Can't I stand firmly behind my opinion? Does the word 'think' really mean fuck all? In a thread about the opinions of this album, shouldn't the word 'think' be taken for granted? You used the word "fact" in your original post.

[shakedown1979]

Originally posted by Ash

I'd bet my first born that in 6 months time, the number of people who come to terms with the above fact will increase considerably.

you'd bet your first born over someone like billy corgans album?

and we've got the problem? lmao

[Ash]

Originally posted by Atomsk Iscariot
You used the word "fact" in your original post.

Go look up the word 'exaggeration', and follow that by enrolling in your local high school and studying english subjects. You might want to start with the easier ones.

[Ash]

Originally posted by shakedown1979
you'd bet your first born over someone like billy corgans album?

and we've got the problem? lmao

Arn't you late for kindergarten?

[shakedown1979]

ooooooooooooooooo, good one :eek:

[Ash]

Clamlappers and Sonic the Hedgehog! That was one weekend! That was Easter weekend!

[Herr Lipp]

well if you wanna be a longhead about it, go fuck a sheep you all black cunt. (in case americans dont get what i mean, in new zealand, sheep outnumber people by 3 to 1 :lol: all together now "BAAA-AAA-AA!")

I aint even a fucking fanboy you just post like an asshole. holla.

[Ash]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
well if you wanna be a longhead about it, go fuck a sheep you all black cunt. (in case americans dont get what i mean, in new zealand, sheep outnumber people by 3 to 1 :lol: all together now "BAAA-AAA-AA!")

I aint even a fucking fanboy you just post like an asshole. holla.

Holy shit! He's a New Zealander! Let's make a joke about him being a New Zealander shall we? Hmm, something about New Zealand that we can mock him about... hmm... I know! That enlarged sheep population! I'm sure NO ONE has made a joke about that before!

There aren't even many sheep in NZ you moron, it's just that there are fuck-all people. Oh and you made an all black joke too? Well, I don't actually care for rugby much, but seeing as though you brought it up, we kinda kicked your Lions' arses huh?

Dude, The Big Lebowski is in my top 3 films, and I kinda respected you elsewhere on Blamo.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Belgium = waffles.

[Herr Lipp]

Ha Ha. I never said Britain was any good at sports man.

I happen to think youre quite amusing too, but quit being such a longhead about Corgan man! If you don;t like him that's cool, but I think your review is a bit OTT. It's not poorly written at all, I dare you to write something that competes with it, it's just in a completely different genre. You slagging off the writing for some of TFE is like saying Joy Division, New Order, The Cure couldnt write good songs. I appreciate your sentiments fully, as I hate a lot of the tunage that gets bigged up on blamo, but really man you're going about it in the wrong way.

But, keep up the good work, sport.

[Herr Lipp]

GRRRRRRRRRRRR :mad:

musics a fucking stupid thing to argue about. One man's good is another man's evil. One man's Cr0gan is another mans Iha.

safe Ash ma bredrin, I was out of line with the newzealand jokes, 4 which i apologise. even though the sheep population thing is quite funny :)

[Noshus Klam]

Once upon a time
Not so long ago

Tommy used to work on the docks
Union’s been on strike
He’s down on his luck...it’s tough, so tough
Gina works the diner all day
Working for her man, she brings home her pay
For love - for love

She says we’ve got to hold on to what we’ve got
’cause it doesn’t make a difference
If we make it or not
We’ve got each other and that’s a lot
For love - we’ll give it a shot

Chorus:
Whooah, we’re half way there
Livin’ on a prayer
Take my hand and we’ll make it - I swear
Livin’ on a prayer

Tommy’s got his six string in hock
Now he’s holding in what he used
To make it talk - so tough, it’s tough
Gina dreams of running away
When she cries in the night
Tommy whispers baby it’s okay, someday

We’ve got to hold on to what we’ve got
’cause it doesn’t make a difference
If we make it or not
We’ve got each other and that’s a lot
For love - we’ll give it a shot

Chorus

We’ve got to hold on ready or not
You live for the fight when it’s all that you’ve got

Chorus


>>>>>>>Any song on TFE

[Herr Lipp]

I can't say I was set on fire by TFE's lyrics. Some of them aren;t too bad, but the guy's probably used all his good ones up.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Who cares about lyrics? I even like Zwan's Yeah. And that has the singing diamonds and stuff...

[Herr Lipp]

I dont care! I like the album mang. But I really dont like A100. Sorrows is my favourite tune, music wise, I think.

[Ash]

DIA is the best song on there, and probably the most Pumpkins-sounding song he's released since 2000. Why-oh-why-oh-why didn't he put Tilt on the album?

[Atomsk Iscariot]

Originally posted by Ash
DIA is the best song on there, and probably the most Pumpkins-sounding song he's released since 2000. Why-oh-why-oh-why didn't he put Tilt on the album? Regardless of how I disagree with your view on the album, I completely agree with this statement. "Tilt" fucking rules.

[Mr Potato Head]

Originally posted by Kris K
Once upon a time
Not so long ago

Tommy used to work on the docks
Union’s been on strike
He’s down on his luck...it’s tough, so tough
Gina works the diner all day
Working for her man, she brings home her pay
For love - for love

She says we’ve got to hold on to what we’ve got
’cause it doesn’t make a difference
If we make it or not
We’ve got each other and that’s a lot
For love - we’ll give it a shot

Chorus:
Whooah, we’re half way there
Livin’ on a prayer
Take my hand and we’ll make it - I swear
Livin’ on a prayer

Tommy’s got his six string in hock
Now he’s holding in what he used
To make it talk - so tough, it’s tough
Gina dreams of running away
When she cries in the night
Tommy whispers baby it’s okay, someday

We’ve got to hold on to what we’ve got
’cause it doesn’t make a difference
If we make it or not
We’ve got each other and that’s a lot
For love - we’ll give it a shot

Chorus

We’ve got to hold on ready or not
You live for the fight when it’s all that you’ve got

Chorus


>>>>>>>Any song on TFE

As usual kris k has it off to a T!

[whitespyder]

Originally posted by Kris K
Word

Such a mediocore and boring album.

sorry mate,
but i believe you used to listen to shitty hip hop before you discovered machina.
therefore : you don't have the right to comment.

"..."

[Noshus Klam]

Originally posted by whitespyder
sorry mate,
but i believe you used to listen to shitty hip hop before you discovered machina.
therefore : you don't have the right to comment.

"..."

Yeah man, I moved from shitty hip hop to a shitty rock and roll album. Perfect.

I'm a fan of Smashing Pumpkins, but even so, I'm not going to pretend to like something if I don't.

Oh, and just for reference, there are some so called "shitty hip hop," albums that are better than Machina.

[Herr Lipp]

W3RD.

[Chopstick]

Originally posted by whitespyder
sorry mate,
but i believe you used to listen to shitty hip hop before you discovered machina.
therefore : you don't have the right to comment.

"..."
Why did you post that picture?
Where is it from?
Why do I like it so much?

[Herr Lipp]

Originally posted by Chopstick
Why do I like it so much?

[Herr Lipp]

old...but funny.

[Chopstick]

http://www.2oceansvibe.com/images/homo1.jpg

[Noshus Klam]

.

[Crono]

Originally posted by Ash
Ok folks, let's get this in writing shall we? I'm sick of people insisting that TheFutureEmbrace is fantastic, and anywhere near the same level as the Pumpkins' work.

Fact : TheFutureEmbrace is a bland, boring, and uncomfortable sounding album. It has a total of 3 good songs (TheCameraEye, DIA, and Pretty, Pretty STAR). There are a handful of average tracks, but it's the real shitters of songs that weigh the album down until it sinks into patheticness. And there are a lot of them - All Things Change, A100, Now (And Then), I'm Ready, Walking Shade, and Sorrows (In Blue).

People need to stop praising this thing simply because it's got Billy Corgan's name on the cover. I'd bet my first born that in 6 months time, the number of people who come to terms with the above fact will increase considerably.

I agree. I have some weird sort of feeling though that the pumpkins could actually be good again though. It's sort of my last faith in the man to create something I like.

[Crono]

Originally posted by whitespyder
sorry mate,
but i believe you used to listen to shitty hip hop before you discovered machina.
therefore : you don't have the right to comment.

"..."

this post = a little on the dumb side.

[(.)Ions]

Originally posted by Ash
Ok folks, let's get this in writing shall we? I'm sick of people insisting that TheFutureEmbrace is fantastic, and anywhere near the same level as the Pumpkins' work.

Fact : TheFutureEmbrace is a bland, boring, and uncomfortable sounding album. It has a total of 3 good songs (TheCameraEye, DIA, and Pretty, Pretty STAR). There are a handful of average tracks, but it's the real shitters of songs that weigh the album down until it sinks into patheticness. And there are a lot of them - All Things Change, A100, Now (And Then), I'm Ready, Walking Shade, and Sorrows (In Blue).

People need to stop praising this thing simply because it's got Billy Corgan's name on the cover. I'd bet my first born that in 6 months time, the number of people who come to terms with the above fact will increase considerably.


Ash's Dictionary:

Fact - an opinion.

[Ash]

Originally posted by (.)Ions
Ash's Dictionary:

Fact - an opinion.

You're a page too late, bub.

[daisydaisydaisy]

Originally posted by Mary Alice
the fans won the lawsuit? Seriously? Where did you hear that (link maybe)? I hate to hear that because I thought it was stupid of them to sue him in the first place.

I like TFE. Camera Eye is probably my favorite. I usually listen to Camera Eye, DIA, and I'm Ready. I really like To Love Somebody but it's kinda sad and it bugs me because I can't bring myself to listen to it when my mom's home. She liked Michael Bolton back in the day and I had to hear his version one too many times and when she's home I think of Michael Bolton's version (blech). It is a good song, and I think Billy did a good job with the cover, it's a shame I have that connotation in my head.

If I'm in the right mood I can listen to the whole thing. Just the other day I put it on intending to just listen to my 3 usual songs and I just couldn't skip and listened to the whole thing. It was good.

It's not the best thing he's ever done, which I think is a lot of people's problem, and it is different from his other stuff. But like Adore did, it's growing on me still and has it's own charm. It's far from bad.

I think I missed something... What lawsuit?