Legalising Prostitution?

[Herr Lipp]

After quoting the old addage "Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world" in a thread about legalised prostitution at the World Cup in Germany next year, and subsequently having said addage mildly mocked, I just thought Id ask you lot what your view is. Good or Bad thing?

I say legalise it all, and thats coming from someone who has no intention of visiting a prostitute (unless I see a reeeeeaaaaaalllllllllyyyy nice bird when I go Dam, then I may change my mind :) )

[Six Ways]

I agree. Again, with no intention of ever soliciting one. Simply because there's no way you can control it if it's illegal, since people are gonna do it anyway and there are a lot of inherent dangers. If it was legalised, regulations and stuff could be put in place to make it a safe profession.No pimps, no STDs, no rape, and perhaps most importantly, no inherent psychological degredation of those in the business, if you know what I mean.

[Jackal]

I'm for it. It happens anyway so if my city could get taxes from it then fine. Just because it's legal doesn't mean all the problems with it would dissapear either. Sudafed and alcohol are legal and they cause problems all the time.

Tattooing is still illegal here, but now there are shops open and operating. They pay high fines ($500.00 I think) when they get arrested, but they make enough money to do that. It's been voted on several times and it always fails.

The people doing these illegal things are the same ones who will be doing them when they are legal. I don't think legalizing something makes people do it, but some people do believe that.

[Six Ways]

Originally posted by Jackal
I'm for it. It happens anyway so if my city could get taxes from it then fine. Just because it's legal doesn't mean all the problems with it would dissapear either. Sudafed and alcohol are legal and they cause problems all the time.

The people doing these illegal things are the same ones who will be doing them when they are legal. I don't think legalizing something makes people do it, but some people do believe that.

I agree that legalising it wont eliminate all the problems, but the problems would be drastically reduced from the current state, which is what I meant.

And I definitely agree on the last point; legalising something does not necessarily mean more people will do it.

[Kinbote]

It's not up to government - or rather I suppose oughtn't be - to determine whether an activity is moral, or even healthy. If two consenting adults want to exchange money for sex, then whatever. Why should it be anybody's business but theirs?

[Spaced]

Prostitution should be legalised, but regulation need only extend so far as to ensure the safety of those involved, and not into a government revenue raising exercise. The legalisation should not be a moral decision, rather acceptance that is is occurring, and limited regulation is probably the best way for it to occur.

[Six Ways]

Originally posted by UncleLester
It's not up to government - or rather I suppose oughtn't be - to determine whether an activity is moral, or even healthy. If two consenting adults want to exchange money for sex, then whatever. Why should it be anybody's business but theirs?

That's not the point at all....I can't imagine that most prostitutes aren't forced into it by their pimps. That's the kinda thing I'm talking about stopping.

[Herr Lipp]

Originally posted by Six Ways
And I definitely agree on the last point; legalising something does not necessarily mean more people will do it.

In some cases quite the opposite! This is pure fact: the numbers of cannabis users in Amsterdam shortly after cannabis was de-criminalised rised briefly but then returned back to it's previous level and then continued to fall and now less people smoke than when it was illegal.

And you are right, a lot of pimps bring Eastern European girls over with the promise of jobs etc, then force them into prostitution. It's a shame.

[Jackal]

It would be revenue raising as a by product of it being legal, people will pay for it, just like groceries, and taxes will be taken out.

[sleepy sinner]

There is never enough funding and training for proper regulation of 'legal' prositution. So it's never really legal - in the sense that the 'legal' brothels aren't consistently monitored any more than the illegal ones. In Melbourne there are something like 3 government-funded individuals who are supposed to monitor hundreds of legal brothels. Independent watchdog organisations attempt to raise enough revenue to increase this number of people but aren't having much success.

Moreover, legalising prositution in Melbourne created a boom in illegal brothels. They just keep increasing, and are outstripping the rate of increase of legal brothels. Melbourne is a paradigm case for the failure of legalised prositution, it's history is well documented and you could probably find the relevant reports online.

Legalising prostitution does nothing to deter illegal brothels or unacceptable conditions for sex workers. But really that's not what people want when they want legal prostitution. Far from being concerned about sex worker's welfare, they just want to make it a bit easier and more acceptable for themselves and their conscience. Sex workers are accorded no value in our society, they're nothing but mechanical fodder for people's fantasies, so whether their work is legal or not has virtually no impact on their well-being.

[Herr Lipp]

Yeah but why would people use illegal ones? The only reaon can be that the legal ones are shit for whatever reason (maybe they make you sign in or something), so really it's Melbournes failure, not the idea.

Amsterdam is a success that overshadows Melbournes failure. And it wouldnt surprise me if some of those other fun-loving europians (heres looking at you scandinavia) had a care-free attitude to prostitution, and perhaps the system worked for them.

Oh well, it might well be detrimental to society, who can say, but on a personal level it doesnt bother me.

[Jackal]

Everybody knows all that. "Johns" don't know shit about who is legal and who isn't.

Everything sucks!
everything sucks!
Everything sucks!

fall into the street, find someone to meet.
eat some food and drink some thing. Hopefully blue, but maybe green.

whores are dirty.

[sleepy sinner]

Yes, Fraser, legal ones are considered 'shit' because EITHER people don't want to sign and take responsibility for brutalising or giving a disease to a whore (I don't think the legal ones make you sign anyway), and they're 'shit' because they actually have limits as to how long and in what conditions sex workers can work.

People go to illegal brothels because they dont give a shit about sex worker's welfare there and thus they're cheaper. They exploit the concept of the valueless sex worker. They also deal in illegal trafficking, which appeals to people with fetishes for foreign, abused women.

Really the question could be why do people go to brothels at all?
Why are people so pathetic and desperate they believe they can get away with paying to use another person's body for their sexual gratification?

It's like, go find a fucking girlfriend, for chissakes! Put some bloody effort in instead of using someone else as your personal vibrator. Better yet, learn to define between a person and an object and use a vibrator or your hand instead!

[Herr Lipp]

Or this!

[Herr Lipp]

mmmh yummy! :lol:

[sleepy sinner]

That's very paedophilic.

[Six Ways]

Someone mention "Fleshlight (TM)"! Oh, wait! I just did! Go me!

[Herr Lipp]

You can get those $5000 dollar sex dolls now that are like ultra realistic, and they have a kinda skeleton so that you can put them into shape and they stay there.

I dont have one! (though if I was rich I might buy one for a laugh) but I read the brochure with avid interest! Theyre fucking scary!

[Fab]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
You can get those $5000 dollar sex dolls now that are like ultra realistic, and they have a kinda skeleton so that you can put them into shape and they stay there.

I dont have one! (though if I was rich I might buy one for a laugh) but I read the brochure with avid interest! Theyre fucking scary! That's really sad that there's a market for those. The majority of the market for blow up dolls and stuff is Stag Nights and stuff, next to no one buys them to have sex with. Get a girlfriend, heck, I'd rather get a prostitute than one of these (although I have no intention of ever doing so).

[kendra]

They are creepy and lifeless AND greasy-looking, hot! http://realdoll.com/intro.asp

[Jackal]

I like how they took one to the beach to photograph it having fun in the sun!

[kendra]

Oh man, I didn't see those ones before . . . she looks totally cross-eyed, too! http://realdoll.com/image/nika/Nika4.JPG

[Six Ways]

I like how there are questions in the FAQ section about how to use them doggy-style, and whether they sell individual body parts (they do, and I hate to think why, considering the dolls are made in one molded piece so it's not like you can replace bits) and, worst of the lot, how to clean them..... [insert non-existent being sick smiley]

[Six Ways]

Oh man, I just checked the accessories page....who in god's name wants a hat or T-shirt proclaiming that they sleep with a love doll? Or 'erotic' posters of Real Dolls? Or Real Doll: The Movie?

WTF? An erotic movie starring fuck dolls?

WTF?!

[Herr Lipp]

I felt drawn to stare at that asian dolls tits for about 2 minutes just then...fucked up!

[Static Split Screen]

Who would pay 7,000 dollars for a life-sized fuck Barbie?

[Herr Lipp]

Craig.

[Nak Nak]

I don't have 7k to buy you one with fraser

[Nak Nak]

I'm for legalising prostitution if they get rid of the middleman (pimps) and if they designate specific (and safe) zones for the prostitutes to work in.

[ems]

Originally posted by Walter Sopchak
This is pure fact: the numbers of cannabis users in Amsterdam shortly after cannabis was de-criminalised rised briefly but then returned back to it's previous level and then continued to fall and now less people smoke than when it was illegal.




yeah and most of the people that smoke are tourists

[ems]

Originally posted by sleepy sinner
Far from being concerned about sex worker's welfare, they just want to make it a bit easier and more acceptable for themselves and their conscience.


I very much agree with that.

[ems]

Originally posted by sleepy sinner


Really the question could be why do people go to brothels at all?
Why are people so pathetic and desperate they believe they can get away with paying to use another person's body for their sexual gratification?

It's like, go find a fucking girlfriend, for chissakes! Put some bloody effort in instead of using someone else as your personal vibrator. Better yet, learn to define between a person and an object and use a vibrator or your hand instead!


Too fuckin right!

[theburk]

well i dont like prostitution because well, i feel that if you try hard enough you can find someone to give you head, esspecialy now adays with fuck buddies, with aids and other stds as widespread as they are, i cant imagine going to a prostitute, id rather jack off, its cheaper, less time consuming, more fun, and you dont have to worry about stds or broken condoms or missed pills. and since im taken anyway i dont realy worry about it. i say less prostitutes and more porn, and with as much porn as germany has, i cant imagine why they would need prostitutes (i have a freind in germany who says they have bdsm parties every weeking in practicly every town)

[Static Split Screen]

I think it should be legalized so they can get rights, and not have all their money taken by pimps. They could get better hours, too. It's a horrible buisness, but it's always gonna be there, might as well make it so they don't all die of AIDS or a drugs overdose.

[Herr Lipp]

Originally posted by Nak Nak
I don't have 7k to buy you one with fraser

ahh crap.

ems: tourist stoners: yeah you're probably right. Theres really only a handful of Dutch seasoned fuck-ups. But theres plenty of English and American fuckups over there with with money to burn.

[ramblingrose]

Originally posted by Fab
That's really sad that there's a market for those. The majority of the market for blow up dolls and stuff is Stag Nights and stuff, next to no one buys them to have sex with.

Oh, if only that were true. You're right in one sense, the blow-up animals with sharp seams are mainly purchased as "hilarious" novelties, but I'm afraid there's an awful lot of strange people out there who would much rather fuck something that doesn't move, breathe or have feelings. Sex dolls are less for the lonely, and more for the twisted.
*Top tip - boys, don't ever say this; "Would you mind lying really still? And trying not to breathe?"
Tends to kill the romance.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
Oh, if only that were true. You're right in one sense, the blow-up animals with sharp seams are mainly purchased as "hilarious" novelties, but I'm afraid there's an awful lot of strange people out there who would much rather fuck something that doesn't move, breathe or have feelings. Sex dolls are less for the lonely, and more for the twisted.
*Top tip - boys, don't ever say this; "Would you mind lying really still? And trying not to breathe?"
Tends to kill the romance.
Did anyone see that C4 show last week about those US dolls, that look damn good? I mean that a HELL of a lot of talent has gone into making them.

[ramblingrose]

I did and it makes me itch...i don't know, it's really quite frightening. But fascinating.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
I did and it makes me itch...i don't know, it's really quite frightening. But fascinating.
The makers were ok, but the buyers? jeez..

[ramblingrose]

They're just working out what sort of serial killer they want to be. It can be a tough time for a boy.

[Narcissistic Nihilist]

Originally posted by ramblingrose
They're just working out what sort of serial killer they want to be. It can be a tough time for a boy.
Well, I've always had a thing for Ramirez, but I saw "Henry, Portrait...." last night.

Decisions, decisions.

[kendra]

That movie was amazingly stupid.