Harry Potter 6 w/ spoilers ...(not HIM dying? Is ___ bad or good? Is Harry a ____?)

[Mary Alice]

1) Dumbledore dying....WAH!

2) Is Snape really evil or is he still just pretending?

3) Do you think Harry is a Horcrux or no?

[Leela]

1. I know, I was sad too! BUT there is a reason he died....Harry could not have anyone protecting him. He needed to do this alone.

2. He's still pretending, I think. I think Dumbledore and Snape had a previous engagement, and Dumbledore was not begging to keep him alive but begging Snape to kill him. And when Harry was fighting Snape, Snape was still teaching him.

3. WHOA I totally never thought of it that way...I don't know!

4. I think RAB is Regulus Black...but we discussed that in the other thread.

[Mary Alice]

I agree with you about the Snape thing.

1) Dumbledore always said there are worse things than death. So why would he be pleading to Snape for his life? I think he was pleading for Snape to kill him. He was probably dying anyways (either from the beginning of the book with the black withered hand or else from the potion he drank with Harry in the cave) and he knew about Snapes Unbreakble vow with Narciassa Malfoy (if Snape hadn't all ready told him by the time Harry dad, we know Harry told Dumbledore and then DD would've somehow found out the details...). DD didn't want Draco to kill him, and if Draco didn't and Snape didn't - Snape would die. I think he figured Snape was important to keep alive and that it was his time to go. I think he bound Harry so that Harry couldn't do anything about it.

2)Snape didn't hurt Harry at the end, or make it easier for Voldemort to get to him...he even gave Harry some fighting advice (the Unforgivable curses aren't for you and you'll be blocked unless you keep your mouth shut and your mind closed...)

3) Is Dumbledore's judgement really that bad? If Dumbledore didn't have a good reason for trusting Snape and yet gave him that job with so much access to so many impressionable and innocent students...well, that would make Dumbledore not only stupid, which we know he's not, but a reckless headmaster, which we know he's not.


Snape can't be all bad. I hope.

[Leela]

I'm with you 100%. I think Snape had to do what he had to do in order to keep the Death Eaters thinking he was on his side. He's either very convincing (with the Death Eaters) or he really is one of them and has used Dumbledore's trust for an advantage. I hope it's the former.

What is your opinion on Harry being a Horcrux?

[Mary Alice]

I think that Harry is. I think it explains why he could know what Voldemort was thinking and feeling up through the 5th book, why his scar hurt, why he could speak Parseltongue.

I think Voldemort didn't mean to make Harry a Horcrux and didn't even realize that Harry was until the 5th book when he started to realize Harry could read his thoughts and taking advantage of it. Dumbledore said that Voldy was meaning to make a Horcrux that night because he was planning on killing Harry which he thought was important because of the prophecy...maybe he had it all set up but then when Harry's mom died for Harry it sent everything in a tizzy and instead of killing Harry Voldy accidentally made him a Horcrux. I think it must be hard to make a horcrux even non-accidentally, almost impossible to do it by accident, but then again Harry's situation is exceptional and it would explain a lot.

[Leela]

Hmm....You make an excellent point but that would mean that Harry would have to die in order to destroy Voldemort, and I just don't want to believe it.


But still....gar

[Mary Alice]

Originally posted by Sex n' Cigarettes
Hmm....You make an excellent point but that would mean that Harry would have to die in order to destroy Voldemort, and I just don't want to believe it.


But still....gar

I don't want Harry to die either. I think Snape knows enough dark magic that he might be able to help Harry - in the first book in the first potions class he says he knows how to put a stopper in death...I think that's another reason Dumbledore didn't want Snape to die (the Unbreakable vow, remember? if Dumbledore didn't die by Draco or Snape's hand, Snape would have died...) is that Snape was the only one on the good side with that much knowledge of the dark magic the bad side would be using - maybe he could be the one to use it for good and within reason.

I hate to speculate too much, if I'm right I won't be surprised so it might actually be better to be wrong. Still here's something I would like to happen - Harry crossing over the veil at the Department of Mysteries and seeing Sirius and Dumbledore again, and being told it's not his time, being kicked back out, and Snape bringing him back to life, horcrux destroyed in the process.

[Leela]

I wonder if Lily was actually a Death Eater, and had something to do with Harry possibly becoming a Horcrux? But I hightly doubt Lily was a Death Eater, as I have not seen much evidence for that

[Mary Alice]

Originally posted by Sex n' Cigarettes
I wonder if Lily was actually a Death Eater, and had something to do with Harry possibly becoming a Horcrux? But I hightly doubt Lily was a Death Eater, as I have not seen much evidence for that

I really doubt it. Lily putting herself in harms way instead of her son is the opposite of Death Eather action. Her love is the power the dark Lord knows not remember? Plus she was one of the main ones who fought Lord Voldemort...would a Death Eater work so hard to put an end to him?

But why did he want to spare her? That I don't know. Even though JK has said Tom RIddle was Slytherins only surviving descendant maybe he had ones he didn't know about...some people say Harry's Green eyes which are just like his moms are because she and he is a descendant of Slytherin, too.

It's wierd that Slughorn said she could've been in Slytherin. Why is that? It's the house most unlikely to take a muggle born like Lily, but Slughorn liked her a lot and thought she'd be good in his house rather than Gryffindor where she was sorted to...

For what it's worth I think Snape might have had a crush on her too. She was good at potions like him and was probably in a lot of his classes and was also nice to him... Either he had a crush on Lily or Narcissa Black. He once had a crush on SOMEONE I'm sure.

[Leela]

But she could've been a Double Agent like Snape, and only when her son was threatened did she realize of what she....eh nevermind it's a stretch.

Who do you think will die in the 7th book? Will Hogwarts be around?

[Static Split Screen]

My friend researched online and someone was speculating that dumbledore didn't in fact die, that snape merely knocked him unconscious, and then dumbledore drank the draught of living death to fake his own death. Thus, when his body was buried he somehow got away, and that is why the phoenix rose to the sky "joyfully." The person also said that's why the portrait of dumbledore was asleep, because he wasn't truly dead so they wouldn't be able to talk to him. Seems like it could be likely, never know.

I also think snape's just pretending. JK Rowling seems to love him too much to make him evil.

I also think harry's and unwilling Horcrux possibly, but then that would mean he would have to die, and didn't the prophecy say that only one of them died?

I have no life.

[Leela]

The prophecy only states that in order for one of them to survive, the other must die. Wizards can't be immortal, so Harry (or Voldemort in that case) would eventually have to die after killing the other, so the prophecy does not say that one HAS to survive, only that one has to die.

Did that make sense?

[Kinbote]

After school I'm going to shove you guys into your lockers.

[Peter]

and i'm gonna run your underwears up the flagpole.

[Leela]

AVADA KREDAVA!!!





oh dear god kill me now

[Telegram Sam]

Harry killed him

[aria]

Originally posted by Mary Alice
1) Dumbledore dying....WAH!

2) Is Snape really evil or is he still just pretending?

3) Do you think Harry is a Horcrux or no?

1. OMG, I know!! It makes sense in the whole "Father figure must die for hero to shine" scheme of things but still!! The guy WAS Hogwarts.

2. I'd like it if Snape was so evil he was shafting both the Order of the Phoenix and Volddermort

3. I don't think Harry is a Horcrux. I don't know why, i just have a feeling it's going to be someone close to Harry.

JK Rowling says she's gonna start the last one after Xmas *cant wait*

[Sandinista]

Just so you know: Harry is not a Horcrux.

[Mary Alice]

Originally posted by Sandinista
Just so you know: Harry is not a Horcrux.

how do you know? Did JK Rowling tell you (just got back from work...yay) --MA

[Sandinista]

Originally posted by Mary Alice
how do you know? Did JK Rowling tell you (just got back from work...yay) --MA

Not that I know or care, but my two co-workers claim that, in volume 5, there could not be a part of Voldemort's soul within Harry because he couldn't possess Harry's body.

[sleepy sinner]

I was just re-reading Harry Potter and The Order of The Phoenix and there is a scene where they are decontaminating 12 Grimmauld Pl. and they find a locket that no one can open...They might have the real locket without knowing it! Unless Mundungus actually stole it when he ransacked the place in this book.

I also hope that Snape is a double agent, who Dumbledore told to kill him if it came to it, as this would prevent Malfoy from having to turn completely to evil, keep Snape alive by fulfilling the unbreakable vow, and Snape is more valuable as a spy than Dumbledore. He's now earned Voldemort's ultimate trust, which was important as at the beginning of the book death eaters such as Bellatrix were beginning to ask him very pointed questions about his loyalty.

[Leela]

Originally posted by Sandinista
Not that I know or care, but my two co-workers claim that, in volume 5, there could not be a part of Voldemort's soul within Harry because he couldn't possess Harry's body.

interesting

[Rael]

I do not think harry is a Horcrux or he would have to destroy himself!


You guys gotta check the website called:

Dumbledore is not dead

It brings up a lot of persuasive arguments for the fact that he is not dead or at least his death was somewhat planned with Snape.


R.A.B could also be Amelia Bones but i think thats a long shot. But it did say in the Book that Voldemort killed her himself which i find interesting!

[Lalique]

oh fuck, fuck fuck fuck. why did I do it?!

[Leela]

You didn't read this before you read the book, did you?!

[Leela]

and p.s. that website brought up a good point: why would dumbledore beg for his life when he has always been so calm about the subject of death? "there are worse things than death" etc. etc.

[Lalique]

Originally posted by Sex n' Cigarettes
You didn't read this before you read the book, did you?!

:(

[Leela]

I weep for you

[Static Split Screen]

Did anyone else go get the book at midnight? I dragged Craig along and he was very unpleased and snarky.

[Rael]

Originally posted by Static Split Screen
Did anyone else go get the book at midnight? I dragged Craig along and he was very unpleased and snarky.


I did!

[wasp in a jar]

1) i know! but i don't think he died in vain for some reason.

2) really don't think snape's evil. completely agree with you MA about the snape teaching harry thing. he had every opportunity to rise to harry's "coward" taunts, but he didn't. i was thinking that maybe dumbledore has an unbreakable bond with snape, but snape's unbreakable bond to draco didn't interfere with that. dumbledore's dying was possibly part of snape's and his unbreakable bond, hence the "serverus, please".

3) no, for the reasons that joe mentioned. i think it could possibly be nagini. i had another idea but that's completely left my mind at the moment.

4) i bet mundungus has run off with that locket.

5) OH, LEAH!

[Barbara]

wow, just finished this last night (and stayed up damn near all night doing it, not intentionally, but because I got sucked in) but I will discuss it when I have less work to do!! but in short I also hope Snape is not really an evil guy, and believe there is much more to the Dumbledore and Snape thing, that will be in the next book (is the next one the last one? how many will there be?)

[Static Split Screen]

Originally posted by Static Split Screen
unpleased

Haha, it was late when I posted this. It's displeased and unpleasant combined!

[Rael]

I think in figuring out the whole mystery the converstion that Hagrid overhears between Dumbledore and Snape is a very important clue.

I don't have the book in front of me but its something about a JOb Snape is doing that he doesnt want to anymore and Dumbledore is like Oh well you gotta do it man.

[Sandinista]

Originally posted by Rael

R.A.B could also be Amelia Bones but i think thats a long shot. But it did say in the Book that Voldemort killed her himself which i find interesting!

Nope. She was one of the good guys so wouldn't have referred to Voldemort as the Dark Lord.
And she was killed by Voldemort himself because she is a powerful witch

[Barbara]

I really liked this one, the series keeps getting better i.m.o. and a little darker each time too. but I think Mary and everyone is absolutely right that this isn't the final end of Dumbledore and that Snape is not necessarily an evil asshole who killed an old man pleading for his help, after Dumbledore gave him a job and continued to trust Snape with many, many people giving him the indication that he shouldn't, including Harry every time he could mention it without being cut off. Harry and Dumbledore talked about things that he never discussed with any other students (even though he allowed Harry to tell Ron and Hermione about them), making it likely that he would have discussed things with Snape that he couldn't dicuss with Harry and therefore wouldn't allow Harry to question him... and if he trusted Harry enough to give him all this information he had worked hard to uncover on Voldemort, why would he not listen when Harry showed suspicion of Snape, if not for a good reason that he didn't want anyone else to know? possibly because he knew Harry wouldn't have accepted whatever he was planning (especially if it had to do with Dumbledore dying), or because Harry already hated Snape so much that Dumbledore knew it would be a waste of time to try and convince him at this point. At the end everyone was talking about how Dumbledore had trusted Snape unwavering, for reasons he never fully explained. I'm sure those reasons will be explained eventually, but for now everyone else in the story thinks Snape turned his back on maybe the only person who truly supported him.

I think before it's all over, Snape and Harry will have an even bigger magical battle, where Snape might teach something to Harry of great importance that could help him defeat Voldemort. I also agree that he was probably teaching Harry as he deflected his curses, showing him that he has to evolve his strategy if he expects to beat Voldemort.

Also, if Dumbledore really is dead, which it's possible he isn't... but if so, they mentioned there was a new portrait of him. Most of the portraits can talk and some are of former alumini, so there's another way that Dumbledore could communicate with Harry and others later in the story. Another way is inheritances, if Dumbledore left something in a will to Harry or others that he knew they wouldn't see until after his own death, maybe even a memory of Dumbledore's yet to be revealed. I think if he really is dead, it was probably Dumbledore who arranged for Snape to kill him, as he knew he would likely die soon either from his previous injuries, or shortly after enduring whatever curses Voldemort had placed on the Hocruxes he was looking for, and it would save Draco from having to kill on Voldemort's orders or die if he disobeyed. And by setting it up so Harry would go after Snape to avenge his death, he ensured that Harry would be more focused on finding Snape and thereby keeping the two together, instead of Harry spending his focus on Draco, who Dumbledore revealed to be a frightened child despite all his arrogance, that didn't truly want to follow Voldemort's order but was scared to death not to.

[Barbara]

Dumbledore had some of the best dialogue in this one and I think he is very much involved in what will happen next... as for Harry being a Hocrux, I hadn't thought of that before reading Mary's question, but it could be that a part of Voldemort's soul that he disregarded early in life, or that somehow changed because of Harry's mother sacrificing herself is inside Harry...a part of his soul that Voldemort doesn't understand and probably doesn't know exists, perhaps which was transferred accidentally, which would explain a lot of Harry's power and ability to escape being killed by him. "Neither can live while the other survives" might mean Harry is essential to Voldemort's survival not by his death, but by Harry's own abandonement of his hatred, pain, vengefulness, and other dark feelings he still holds on to; and embracing of the purer part of his soul that Dumbledore spoke so importantly of. If it truly is part of Voldemort's soul inside, perhaps the only thing keeping the other evil components alive is Harry's own dark feelings that he can't shake yet due to all the pain he's been through. This change in Harry may destroy Voldemort in itself, and all the other pieces of his soul, because at that point no other evil part of his soul can survive while a part of his soul has become something else, something more powerful than the sum of the other parts. The key may be Harry learning to respect Dumbledore by trying to see others the way Dumbledore did, with understanding and not with malice, no matter who they are. Dumbledore said basically that love is a more powerful magic than any evil.

which brings the question, if Harry destroyed voldemort this way, would the part of Voldemort's soul leave him and then would he be left without magical abilities? or would the soul change entirely and become part of Harry's own, giving him power comparable to Dumbledore?

sorry that was long :cry:

[flower shower]

lol@Joe LOL@JOE

[Sandinista]

Originally posted by Racoon
lol@Joe LOL@JOE

I'm simply channeling my co-workers!

[vordabois]

So, in case you fellow Potter fans were unaware, according to mugglenet.com and the following site, on August 28th, it was confirmed:

The mysterious R.A.B. is indeed Regulus Arcturus Black.

http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/regulus.html

[Joliet's Green Onions]

albus said that snape pleaded/aplogized after he found out who was killed by voldamort because of the profesy...if this was earnest then he was probably more sad/sadder about lily die-ing, so that may go in with him might have been having a crush on her

also i spent a complete day going through all the HP books looking for people with the inisials R.A.B., and like you all came up with Regulus

[Joliet's Green Onions]

so, hary for real isn't going back to hogworts?

and the next Is the last?

how many years till release do y'all expect?

what years does the main story take place?(some site said early 90's but i'd figure it'd been late 90's as how that was when it was written)

[milpool]

nnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrdsssssssss

[Static Split Screen]

I'm happy being a nerd.

I think the next book will be interesting because it won't follow the same old formula - start at dursleys, escape from Dursleys for part of the summer, go to school, uncover the mysterious plot, fight Voldemore, survive, but some other character dies.

[vordabois]

Originally posted by Static Split Screen
I'm happy being a nerd.

Totally. :yes:

Plus, the books are actually pretty damn entertaining.

I think the next book will be interesting because it won't follow the same old formula - start at dursleys, escape from Dursleys for part of the summer, go to school, uncover the mysterious plot, fight Voldemore, survive, but some other character dies.

JKR used the words "deaths" -- plural -- for this one. :cry:

I have this feeling... I think Snape will pull a Darth Vader: Allegient to Voldemort throughout, but turns on him to save Harry, and sacrifices himself in the process.

[Static Split Screen]

I think Rowling will kill off one of the main three, probably Harry. I predicted the deaths of the last two books.

[Joliet's Green Onions]

well i know one death.....voldemort!

and then probably snape the way vordabois said


also have you guys seen who's playing voldemort...i saw somewhere where it said it was the the person who played Hanible L. in 'red dragon'

[Leela]

Ralph Fiennes? He's awesome.

He also played Amon Goethe in Schindler's List...I think he's very good for the role.

[Geo]

Originally posted by Mary Alice
1) Dumbledore dying....WAH!

2) Is Snape really evil or is he still just pretending?

3) Do you think Harry is a Horcrux or no?



1)I KNOW!!! and he's DEFINITELY dead people! i mean, come on! he feel like 200 feet.

2)he's not evil. i agree with what everyone is saying about a previous arrangement with Dumbledore

3)Harry CAN'T be a Horcrux. Think about it. Voldemort tried to kill him in Goblet of Fire. He wouldn't have willingly destroyed part of his own soul. However, I think that James Potter is still alive and that HE is a horcrux...

[Leela]

Originally posted by Geo
However, I think that James Potter is still alive and that HE is a horcrux...

I demand to see evidence for this, sir!

[Geo]

Originally posted by Sex n' Cigarettes
I demand to see evidence for this, sir!


well...nobody knows exactly what happened the night the potters were killed. when they showed it in the first movie, jk wrote and directed that scene herself just to make sure that everything was done right. because there's something about that night that only she knows. NO ONE was in the room when James was killed other than James and Voldemort (well maybe somebody was that wasn't Harry or Lily) Anyway, this means that Harry can have NO rememberance of his father actually dying. Next, Dumbledore even said that Voldemort was probably planning on Horcrux for that night, and what better to make a horcrux than something that the person who (in Voldemort's eyes) is the only one that can defeat him will not be willing to destroy? Now, one might ask how we know it's not Lily. That much is obvious, if Lily hadn't died then Harry would have. Her death allowed him to survive the killing curse.

Well, I have more to it...but I have to go to class

[Geo]

oh yeah and ps-it's just a theory...i have no CONCRETE evidence really...it's just what i think.

[robomarie]

Originally posted by Mary Alice
I don't want Harry to die either. I think Snape knows enough dark magic that he might be able to help Harry - in the first book in the first potions class he says he knows how to put a stopper in death...

i'm pretty sure this means he knows how to make toxic poisons, as in "put a stopper in a bottle of death" not "put a stop to death". i don't think that's possible.

anyway, i don't think Harry's a Horcrux, i think Dumbledore is really dead, and i think Snape is a good guy.

[Static Split Screen]

Originally posted by Geo
well...nobody knows exactly what happened the night the potters were killed. when they showed it in the first movie, jk wrote and directed that scene herself just to make sure that everything was done right. because there's something about that night that only she knows. NO ONE was in the room when James was killed other than James and Voldemort (well maybe somebody was that wasn't Harry or Lily) Anyway, this means that Harry can have NO rememberance of his father actually dying. Next, Dumbledore even said that Voldemort was probably planning on Horcrux for that night, and what better to make a horcrux than something that the person who (in Voldemort's eyes) is the only one that can defeat him will not be willing to destroy? Now, one might ask how we know it's not Lily. That much is obvious, if Lily hadn't died then Harry would have. Her death allowed him to survive the killing curse.

Well, I have more to it...but I have to go to class

Hmm, interesting.

[robomarie]

wait but so where has James been all this time?

[Static Split Screen]

Originally posted by Geo
well...nobody knows exactly what happened the night the potters were killed. when they showed it in the first movie, jk wrote and directed that scene herself just to make sure that everything was done right. because there's something about that night that only she knows. NO ONE was in the room when James was killed other than James and Voldemort (well maybe somebody was that wasn't Harry or Lily) Anyway, this means that Harry can have NO rememberance of his father actually dying. Next, Dumbledore even said that Voldemort was probably planning on Horcrux for that night, and what better to make a horcrux than something that the person who (in Voldemort's eyes) is the only one that can defeat him will not be willing to destroy? Now, one might ask how we know it's not Lily. That much is obvious, if Lily hadn't died then Harry would have. Her death allowed him to survive the killing curse.

Well, I have more to it...but I have to go to class

Wait...but in the 4th one his shadow-thing came out of the wand...it wouldn't have done that if James was dead.

[Joliet's Green Onions]

Originally posted by Static Split Screen
Wait...but in the 4th one his shadow-thing came out of the wand...it wouldn't have done that if James was dead.

BAM!

[Leela]

Originally posted by Static Split Screen
Wait...but in the 4th one his shadow-thing came out of the wand...it wouldn't have done that if James was dead.

Well that was shot dead rather quickly wasn't it?

[Static Split Screen]

Would've been an awesome twist...but there will be a twist of some sort!

[Static Split Screen]

Ok, I just thought of something as I was re-reading the 6th harry potter.

Voldemort's known Horcruxes:

1. Voldemort himself
2. The diary (destroyed)
3. Marvolo's ring (destroyed)
4. Slytherin's locket
5. Hufflepuff's cup
6. Nagini

Guess:

7. What about...Harry himself? Dumbledore's always going on about how Voldemort put some of himself into Harry the night the curse backfired, what if he put in a 7th of his soul? And even though V's trying to kill Harry, he probably figures the death of the only one who can defeat him worth a bit of his soul.

God, I really am a nerd.

[Static Split Screen]

Or maybe Ginny's a Horcrux! Harry wouldn't want to kill her, either.

[Geo]

Originally posted by Static Split Screen
Wait...but in the 4th one his shadow-thing came out of the wand...it wouldn't have done that if James was dead.


AHEM! and i quote from Albus Dumbledore himself. "If, however, the ownners of the wands force the wands to do battle...a very rare effect will take place. One of the wands will force the other to regurgitate SPELLS it has performed--in reverse."

Notice how he says nothing about "people the wand has killed" or anything. We don't know exactly how a horcrux is made. We just know it has something to do with killing someone and tearing your soul. So, it very easily could be a process that involves casting a spell on the object to become a horcrux first. Which would be the spell cast on James Potter in order to make him come out of the wand.

Oh yeah, and later on Dumbledore refers to the images that come out of the wand as "the last murders the wand performed" However, there is a flaw in seeing it as just regurgitating the deaths...wormtail's new hand comes out of it as well. This was not a death, but merely a spell that he cast.


BAM! ;)

[Geo]

oh yeah and pps-I think that RAB is regulus as well






IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE FUTURE OF THE BOOK, DON'T READ ON

















JKR has confirmed on her website (i think it was there...i dont' really remember) that RAB is indeed Regulus Black

[Leela]

Originally posted by Static Split Screen

Voldemort's known Horcruxes:

1. Voldemort himself

How so? I need to reread the book


4. Slytherin's locket
5. Hufflepuff's cup
6. Nagini


But rememeber that these are just speculations...they have NOT been confirmed yet...they are just strongly suspected to be so

[Joliet's Green Onions]

Originally posted by Static Split Screen

4. Slytherin's locket




i thought regulus, said he destoyed the locket horcrux so there are only 3(or 4 counting voldemort)

[vordabois]

Originally posted by Geo
JKR has confirmed on her website (i think it was there...i dont' really remember) that RAB is indeed Regulus Black

Someone close to the books' production confirmed it for a few sites but it was quickly deleted. Only lasted for about a week... So short a time that no one really noticed.

But yeah, it's Regulus. They even confirmed his as-yet unidentified middle name: "Arcturus".

They elaborate on this unusual behavior on wikipedia:

A popular fansite claimed to have been informed by a reliable source that Regulus' second name is Arcturus. [2] (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/regulus.html)

The fansite claim that Regulus' second name is Arcturus has since been withdrawn without explanation. However, one of the editors of that fansite has stated that he stands behind this information. He posted the following on another site (The_Leaky_Cauldron):

Obviously, Jo is the source of this information. When have you ever known me to post rumors as facts? It's from Jo. That doesn't mean she talked to me directly, of course, but I do know that it came from Jo.
I honestly think that Jo figures she's already told us that it's Regulus. Read the Melissa/Emerson interview. I think she would be surprised that this is even an issue.
I have asked permission to reveal who told me. If they say I can, I'll let you all know. Otherwise, feel free to take this with whatever grain of salt you need to.
-Steve

—Comment (http://the-leaky-cauldron.org/comments.php?entry_id=7504&pg=5&pp=10#198666) posted at The-Leaky-Cauldron.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The-Leaky-Cauldron.org)

[Geo]

Originally posted by Sex n' Cigarettes
How so? I need to reread the book


well, part of the soul must remain in your body at all times. but it must be the last part to be destroyed.

[Static Split Screen]

Originally posted by Sex n' Cigarettes
How so? I need to reread the book

Well he needs to have a peice of his soul in himself to be alive.

And man Geo, you got me there. But what will Harry do if James is a Horcrux?!?!

[Static Split Screen]

Originally posted by Sex n' Cigarettes

But rememeber that these are just speculations...they have NOT been confirmed yet...they are just strongly suspected to be so

Slytherin's locket has been confirmed, and most likely destroyed.

[Leela]

Originally posted by Static Split Screen
Slytherin's locket has been confirmed, and most likely destroyed.

I meant to quote the other ones, my bad

[Geo]

Originally posted by Static Split Screen
And man Geo, you got me there. But what will Harry do if James is a Horcrux?!?!


I know! That's part of the reason that I'm so convinced...cause it would just be SOOOOO hard for him to do it. Just imagine it.

[Joliet's Green Onions]

Originally posted by Geo
AHEM! and i quote from Albus Dumbledore himself. "If, however, the ownners of the wands force the wands to do battle...a very rare effect will take place. One of the wands will force the other to regurgitate SPELLS it has performed--in reverse."

Notice how he says nothing about "people the wand has killed" or anything. We don't know exactly how a horcrux is made. We just know it has something to do with killing someone and tearing your soul. So, it very easily could be a process that involves casting a spell on the object to become a horcrux first. Which would be the spell cast on James Potter in order to make him come out of the wand.

Oh yeah, and later on Dumbledore refers to the images that come out of the wand as "the last murders the wand performed" However, there is a flaw in seeing it as just regurgitating the deaths...wormtail's new hand comes out of it as well. This was not a death, but merely a spell that he cast.


BAM! ;)

but then wouldn't we have seen a version of harry come out since he did try to kill him?

[Static Split Screen]

Yeah, but he never really USED a spell on him, did he? They either backfired, missed, or caused the wand to go haywire.

[Joliet's Green Onions]

he pointed his wand at harry and said the spell, that is using it to me...just unsuccesful

and even to make harry a horcrux he would have to put a spell on harry too: yet again he didn't come out of the wand

[Geo]

I just realized that if making a horcrux requires a spell, then the thing that he made into a horcrux would have come out of the wand. That leads me to believe that either: A)I'm right or B)He made the final horcrux BEFORE the night he tried to kill Harry.

Anyway, it's all just speculation since we don't know precisely how a horcrux is made. If it does involve a spell, though, then we know that Nagini isn't one. Cause she didn't come out of the wand

[Geo]

Originally posted by Citizen Snips
he pointed his wand at harry and said the spell, that is using it to me...just unsuccesful


well, the only problem with thinking this is that Voldemort didn't come out of his own wand. The spell may have bounced off of Harry, but Voldemort is the one that got its full impact. So, if Harry were to have come out of the wand, then so should have Voldemort.

[Rael]

all this Horcrux stuff is making me dizzy.

I am pretty sure Harry is not a Horcrux.

I don't think he made James into one only because on that night he was saving that honor for Harry Potter and since Harry didn't die he couln't have made a Horcrux coresponding to Harry's death.

Also Voldemort was probably too weak to use such powerfull magic after the Avada curse backfired to make a horcrux or anything.

So Dumbledore thinks that Frank Bryce was probably the next victim which makes sense but Geo raises a good question about Nagini not coming out of the wand.

Also i want to know if Voldemort was a spirit in albania how the hell did he get his wand back after all that timealone as a spirit the only people he was with was Wormtail and Quirrel and none of the other death eaters knew what was going on till he was resurected.I find it hard to believe that his spirit was able to hold on to it for over a decade without assistance. This also goes back to the fact that Voldemort was not alone on the night of the murders of harry's parents.

This next book better be 2,000 pages long because Rowling has a lot of explaining to do!

[robomarie]

Maybe making a Horcrux doesn't actually involve a spell with a wand, since none of the objects (the cup, the locket, etc) came out of Voldemort's wand either?

[Geo]

well...i was under the impression that they were still on the way. i mean, i find it VERY hard to believe that the first spell Voldy ever cast was on James Potter. And I was under the impression that he made the other horcruxes before that night.

[Rael]

he definately had five horcruxes already and Harry WOULD have been the sixth and last.

[Joliet's Green Onions]

a horcrux does take a spell, slughorn said that(though he didn't know it)

voldemort didn't come out of it because he didn't die(only part of his soul had been destroyed) and it wasn't a curse to him(though it hit him)

also, wormtail(or peter) was there when voldemort killed james... i think anyway; did siris go to wormtail or find him there?

[Geo]

No, Sirius definitely did not find him there. When Hagrid arrived on the scene, he found Sirius (who then gave him his flying motorcycle). Sirius then went off to find Wormtail.


I don't think that Voldemort's dying(or lack thereof) has anything to do with whether or not he should have come out of the wand. I thought it was agreed that it was spells and not deaths that came out. Whether or not the spell killed him is irrelevant, it still hit him.

[Leela]

Originally posted by Rael
all this Horcrux stuff is making me dizzy.



Word

[Static Split Screen]

We'll find out in like 3 or 4 years.

[Joliet's Green Onions]

i heard that the movie for the 6th book it already slated to begin

and i don't think it'll be 3-4 years till the next comes out

[Joliet's Green Onions]

i heard that the movie for the 6th book it already slated to begin

and i don't think it'll be 3-4 years till the next comes out

[Static Split Screen]

I heard that J.K. Rowling wasn't even going to start writing it until after Christmas.

[Joliet's Green Onions]

this better be a longer book, yes quality is better than quantity, but still i want a long book

[Geo]

yeah, i can agree with that. i mean, the 6th book is probably my favourite so far, but it's a lot shorter than 5...it's actually shorter than 4 too. I want a long book this time, man

[Static Split Screen]

Yeah, I thought it'd be like 1000 pages and it was 606 in the UK version or something. When re-reading the 5th and the 6th I think I liked them both the same.

[Static Split Screen]

But Harry Potter has a much better sense of humor and isn't NEAR as angsty as in the 5th one. jeez louise.

[Geo]

yeah, man. he was like the a pumpkin's fanboy on a bender in the 5th book at times. it was kinda irksome. but whatever, he WAS 15 afterall. And I don't think many of us were mature at that age...at least not too mature.

[vordabois]

Originally posted by Citizen Snips
i heard that the movie for the 6th book it already slated to begin

and i don't think it'll be 3-4 years till the next comes out

Filming's gonna start just after Christmas. January.

I've been dying to hear rumors about when the last book will come out, but nothing's even been murmured except that JKR's indicated that it's gonna be a while.

But Warner Bros. has set 1.5 years between each movie, so you can guess that it's gonna be no longer than 4 years. That's a long time, but at least we have an absolute.

It'd be really kewl for it to be a really long one. Considering how many things need to be wrapped up, it's gotta be.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

"Potter" in Dutch means homo.

[Geo]

Bram in Justin means sex

[Cool As Ice Cream]

But I don't wanna be in you.

[Joliet's Green Onions]

Originally posted by vordabois
Filming's gonna start just after Christmas. January.





i heard that they considered making the forth one a 2 vol movie, but the director said he could cut enough out...molly isn't even in it!

they had better make 2 parters for the next 3 books, or else it'll just suck beyond all belief

[Geo]

Originally posted by vordabois
Filming's gonna start just after Christmas. January.



what!? does that mean they've already started filming the fifth movie and stuff too. i mean...what!?

[Static Split Screen]

I know, I'm confused.

[vordabois]

Originally posted by Geo
what!? does that mean they've already started filming the fifth movie and stuff too. i mean...what!?

Oh, no. Sorry about the confusion...

I was talking about OOTP. I thought Citizen Snips was, too, though I may have been mistaken. I assumed when he said "sixth" that he actually meant "fifth". I just think it's a bit overboard to say that they have that much of a jump on things.

IMO, I really don't think they'll split any of the books in two for many reasons. The most important reason (the one that was actually officially mentioned) is that the actors are already getting a little old for their characters. By the time they get to the seventh film -- provided they are released as planned: OOTP=June 2007, HBP=December 2008, 7th=June, 2010 -- Daniel will be 21 (almost 22), Emma will be 21, Rupert will be 22 (almost 23). They are supposed to be playing 17-year olds. Makeup artists are great, but not miracle workers. If they throw one extra movie into the mix, you are looking at adding 18 more months to their lives.


No one even knows who the director is gonna be for HBP, so it's quite impossible to set a starting date as yet if they don't even know that.

The latest news on HBP is only that Warner Bros has confirmed that it will be made... they are preparing to allocate funds, select a director and sign actors to contracts. They've also confirmed that Harry Potter will be played by Daniel Radcliffe. The others (Emma Watson, Rupert Grint, etc.) aren't confirmed for the HBP film yet.


Production of OOTP is underway, but only the technical computer stuff. They will begin to film with the actual actors in January.