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Kinbote
06-15-2005, 02:54 AM
If you could choose one political leader, anywhere in the world, to see assassinated, who would it be?

But don't say Bush, because I know everyone will, and that would be boring.

I'd like to see done in Venezuela's rancid pustule, Hugo Chavez.

Herr Lipp
06-15-2005, 07:40 AM
Chirac

aria
06-15-2005, 07:50 AM
Berlusconi

Originally posted by UncleLester
I'd like to see done in Venezuela's rancid pustule, Hugo Chavez.


Originally posted by Walther Soapcheck
Chirac


so basically anyone who says the occasional no to the States :erm

Herr Lipp
06-15-2005, 09:12 AM
nah i just think he's being a bit of a bell-end at the moment re: EU rebate.

Narcissistic Nihilist
06-15-2005, 11:40 AM
I'd much rather see cultural figures assassinated rather than political ones. Assassination of political figures will change nothing. Take Bush as an example. If you kill him, there will just be another like him to take his place, and it will strengthens their cause.

I'd say, currently, Jacko, to put him out of his misery.

Herr Lipp
06-15-2005, 11:53 AM
in that case can i nominate Kaiser Chiefs for a car bomb attack?

Kinbote
06-15-2005, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by aria

so basically anyone who says the occasional no to the States :erm

In the case of Chavez, no: someone who destroys his country's fragile democratic institutions and its economy in the name of a self-glorifying "revolution."

Six Ways
06-15-2005, 04:04 PM
I'd probably say Robert Mugabe, but danny's probably right that in such cases usually someone else will fill the position in exactly the same way.

Barbara
06-15-2005, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
I'd much rather see cultural figures assassinated rather than political ones. Assassination of political figures will change nothing. Take Bush as an example. If you kill him, there will just be another like him to take his place, and it will strengthens their cause.

I'd say, currently, Jacko, to put him out of his misery.

yar, kill Bush and the country is run by DICK CHENEY!!! As much as Bush scares and disturbs me, I think Cheney is even worse.

KILL CHENEY!!

aria
06-15-2005, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by UncleLester
In the case of Chavez, no: someone who destroys his country's fragile democratic institutions and its economy in the name of a self-glorifying "revolution."


yeah, how dare you keep your country's oil for yourself instead of automatically handing it over to your well-meaning neighbours, not to mention actually fighting back when those well-meaning neighbours under the same pretense of exporting the democratic laws they themselves seldom implement try and topple you using anything but democratic procedures...Chavez may be bad but the well-meaning neighbours should do well to look at their own administration instead of pretending to care about the "fragile democratic institutions and economy" of other countries....of course they're fragile, with well-meaning neighbours like that planning a coup d'etat every 5 seconds who wouln't be :rolleyes:

I pray to god this country never finds oil

still ill
06-15-2005, 06:02 PM
tony blair..oh yeah

Narcissistic Nihilist
06-15-2005, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by Six Ways
I'd probably say Robert Mugabe, but danny's probably right that in such cases usually someone else will fill the position in exactly the same way.
.....but I would laugh very loud if some (particularly Mugabe) were assassinated.

Narcissistic Nihilist
06-15-2005, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by Barbara
yar, kill Bush and the country is run by DICK CHENEY!!! As much as Bush scares and disturbs me, I think Cheney is even worse.

KILL CHENEY!!
I remember reading Condoleeza Rice's website BEFORE 9/11, where they were campaigning to reduce the money spent on education to increase national defence.

Now THATS terrifying.

aria
06-15-2005, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by still ill
tony blair..oh yeah

I can just picture it

Tony turns to face his assassin as the knife cuts through his carefully casual Armani suit

cue Tony

*pained expression, hand on bleeding stomach, puppy eye look of betrayal, theatrical flourish*

Et tu Alistair?

Exeunt

curtain

Kinbote
06-16-2005, 02:21 AM
Originally posted by aria
.

You seem to be muddling somehow my own dislikes with US government policy. Please stop!

This is an aside, unrelated to anything here, but prompted I guess by mentions of Latin American autocrats: why is it that the same North Americans and Europeans who froth at the mouth at the mention Pinochet have nothing but kind things to say about Castro? I mean, I know the answer - ideological: your sins are excused if you think along the same lines as me - but such inconsistencies bug me. They're the same animal, looking in a mirror.

sleepy sinner
06-16-2005, 03:25 AM
I'd happily cut the throat of every priest or community leader in Africa and the Middle East prescribing FGM as a moral necessity. Including the people who perform the act.

Otherwise I think it's about time someone investigated and deposed the Saudi royals, who have managed to 'accidentally' or 'unknowingly' bankroll half the conflict in the middle east because like, the different factions 'steal' their gold. Or use their 'inheritance'.

still ill
06-16-2005, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by aria
I can just picture it

Tony turns to face his assassin as the knife cuts through his carefully casual Armani suit

cue Tony

*pained expression, hand on bleeding stomach, puppy eye look of betrayal, theatrical flourish*

Et tu Alistair?

Exeunt

curtain
he's such a twat

Herr Lipp
06-16-2005, 10:30 AM
who's your political leader?

tony isnt a twat man. he's a brilliant public speaker! there could be worse leaders.

i dont even like tony that much but you're such a negative bitch i felt the need to stick up for him.

aria
06-16-2005, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by UncleLester
This is an aside, unrelated to anything here, but prompted I guess by mentions of Latin American autocrats: why is it that the same North Americans and Europeans who froth at the mouth at the mention Pinochet have nothing but kind things to say about Castro? I mean, I know the answer - ideological: your sins are excused if you think along the same lines as me - but such inconsistencies bug me. They're the same animal, looking in a mirror.

I loathe Castro but he wasn't a planted yes-man like Pinochet was. That's the difference.

Interesting that you use the word autocrats...which semantically means "rule by self"...well that's the whole point - these guys aren't ruling by themselves and haven't gained power by themselves - they have been specifically planted by the usual suspects to divide and de-stabilize Latin America what with certain neighbours trying to avert a strong and unified Latin America on their doorstep.

aria
06-16-2005, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Walther Soapcheck
there could be worse leaders.

omg (http://www.annwiddecombemp.com/)

Kinbote
06-17-2005, 02:50 AM
Originally posted by aria
I loathe Castro but he wasn't a planted yes-man like Pinochet was. That's the difference.

Interesting that you use the word autocrats...which semantically means "rule by self"...well that's the whole point - these guys aren't ruling by themselves and haven't gained power by themselves - they have been specifically planted by the usual suspects to divide and de-stabilize Latin America what with certain neighbours trying to avert a strong and unified Latin America on their doorstep.

Well, from one yes-man to another: Allende was a tool of the Soviets. Rather nice, though, the Chile has managed to move on as it has from the gloomier aspects of its past - stable democratic government now, relative lack of corruption, happily humming economy. Well on its way, it's said, to first world status: ought to be on southern (though I suppose eastern would be the bottom-rung "decent" comparison these days) Europe's heels in a decade or two. One wonders why these other South Americans can't get their acts together in a similar fashion.

I don't think it's so much an aversion to a "strong and unified" Latin America that prompts meddling as it is old habits - the Cold War obligation to prevent the Red Hordes from obtaining any kind of toehold in our hemisphere. We've just not bothered to cut it out. "Running the show" (fuck, political topics just draw out the cliches, don't they? There's an awful lot in here) is, it would seem, addictive - and it's especially hard to stop when one's intelligence and diplomatic apparatuses consist of massive entrenched bureaucracies dedicated equally to self-preservation and self-promotion.

Personally, I'd like a strong and unified Latin America: as fine as it'd be for them, it would also be a tremendous economic boost to the United States. And everyone else.

Kraus McDuff
06-17-2005, 02:53 AM
Originally posted by UncleLester
Well, from one yes-man to another: Allende was a tool of the Soviets. Rather nice, though, the Chile has managed to move on as it has from the gloomier aspects of its past - stable democratic government now, relative lack of corruption, happily humming economy. Well on its way, it's said, to first world status: ought to be on southern (though I suppose eastern would be the bottom-rung "decent" comparison these days) Europe's heels in a decade or two. One wonders why these other South Americans can't get their acts together in a similar fashion.

I don't think it's so much an aversion to a "strong and unified" Latin America that prompts meddling as it is old habits - the Cold War obligation to prevent the Red Hordes from obtaining any kind of toehold in our hemisphere. We've just not bothered to cut it out. "Running the show" (fuck, political topics just draw out the cliches, don't they? There's an awful lot in here) is, it would seem, addictive - and it's especially hard to stop when one's intelligence and diplomatic apparatuses consist of massive entrenched bureaucracies dedicated equally to self-preservation and self-promotion.

Personally, I'd like a strong and unified Latin America: as fine as it'd be for them, it would also be a tremendous economic boost to the United States. And everyone else.

you just want cheaper cocaine

Kinbote
06-17-2005, 02:56 AM
I wouldn't mind.

aria
06-17-2005, 05:40 AM
Originally posted by UncleLester
Allende

played by the rules, ran in the elections 3 times unsuccessfully, before he was elected and was assassinated 3 years later. Pinochet was backed into staging a coup and ruled for 17 years before his backing buddies unashamedly stepped in to save him when he ran into trouble lest he spill the beans in an international court about whose orders he was really under etc what's your point?

90% of the world's coups d'etats are organized by the States, directly or indirectly, this most democratic of nations...well of course it's the most democratic, it's hardly letting anyone else have a shot at democracy :erm

i agree with the bureaucracy stuff...to this day i think that what's scary about LeCarre's books and which hasn't been portrayed in the movies, is the bloody-mindedness of the bureaucrats who happen to be spies with a bureaucratic mentality. that's what made Michael Caine's The Ipkres File so great. it showed that all bureaucrats, red or not, are in it for themselves and are essentially the same.

oh, and while we're at it, i'm changing my assassination nominee to Kissinger...what's that you say? not a leader? well, you could've fooled me! me and Chile, Laos, Cambodia, Greece, Cyprus, Vietnam, Pakistan and Timor and a quite a few unhappy countries of the Middle East.

Nak Nak
06-17-2005, 10:12 AM
Is Mary Whitehouse still alive?
If she is, then her.

Herr Lipp
06-17-2005, 10:15 AM
she dead

Nak Nak
06-17-2005, 10:23 AM
good.

aria
06-17-2005, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by Nak Nak
[B]Is Mary Whitehouse still alive?[B]

http://www.annwiddecombemp.com/

she's been reincarnated. Ann Widdecombe was quoted the other day that if she could she would cover up all the "semi-naked" girls in the streets.

ps what kind of streets does she walk, anyway, the jealous cow.

Herr Lipp
06-17-2005, 10:39 AM
Anne Widdecombe is teh MP for Maidstone, where I work. When the elections were on she was being driven around in this fairly little flat-bed truck. You know with her slogan boards and megaphone and shit. Anyway funniest thing happened as I was getting bus home one night. Her driver pulled up in traffic right next to us, and as Ann was facing the other way two like 12 year old little shits started stealing her shit out the truck. Just pens and that. ANyway she told them to Shoo and they told her to "fuck off, you fat bitch" as they ran off. classic.

Nak Nak
06-17-2005, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by aria
http://www.annwiddecombemp.com/

she's been reincarnated. Ann Widdecombe was quoted the other day that if she could she would cover up all the "semi-naked" girls in the streets.

ps what kind of streets does she walk, anyway, the jealous cow.

Oh god, she is jealous because anyone who saw her half naked would go insane, much like the explorers in that Cthulhu roleplaying game when they see the Old Ones.

aria
06-17-2005, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by Walther Soapcheck
ANyway she told them to Shoo and they told her to "fuck off, you fat bitch" as they ran off. classic.

:lol: Ann Widdecombe puts the Maid in Maidstone

Originally posted by Nak Nak
Oh god, she is jealous because anyone who saw her half naked would go insane, much like the explorers in that Cthulhu roleplaying game when they see the Old Ones.

saggy old breasts, yum!

El Loto
06-20-2005, 07:57 AM
Margaret Thatcher.

Weapon: Coal Cannon

vordabois
06-20-2005, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by Walther Soapcheck
ANyway she told them to Shoo and they told her to "fuck off, you fat bitch" as they ran off. classic.

:yes:

Herr Lipp
06-20-2005, 09:44 AM
I did feel a little bit sorry for her though, the street-kids round Maidstone are mouthy little shits.

Six Ways
06-20-2005, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by Walther Soapcheck
I did feel a little bit sorry for her though, the street-kids round Maidstone are mouthy little shits.

Forcibly remove their teeth, that's what I say.

Herr Lipp
06-20-2005, 10:25 AM
All of Britains Youth's Ills could be sorted by capital punishment from the age of 5. That gives me an idea for a thread.

vordabois
06-20-2005, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by Walther Soapcheck
All of Britains Youth's Ills could be sorted by capital punishment from the age of 5. That gives me an idea for a thread.

Ha!

Wait... UK doesn't have the death penalty, does it?

Herr Lipp
06-20-2005, 10:36 AM
no we got rid of it years ago (60s?) but i understand 'capital punishment' to mean any punishment (physical) administered by a figure of authority, mostly public sector. I could be wrong or muddled, Id be happy to be corrected.

Narcissistic Nihilist
06-20-2005, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by Walther Soapcheck
no we got rid of it years ago (60s?) but i understand 'capital punishment' to mean any punishment (physical) administered by a figure of authority, mostly public sector. I could be wrong or muddled, Id be happy to be corrected.
This made me chuckle.

Capital punishment is execution. In other words, death.

You have just suggested killing 5 year olds.

You appear to have made a major fuck up and mean corporal punishment when you said capital punishment.

No need to thank me for correcting you :-D

sleepy sinner
06-21-2005, 05:34 AM
Originally posted by Walther Soapcheck
All of Britains Youth's Ills could be sorted by capital punishment from the age of 5. That gives me an idea for a thread.

Adults fuck up children and create bratty children, so beating the children does absolutely nothing. So many British adults I've met and witnessed are so fundamentally immature it's staggering.

Herr Lipp
06-21-2005, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by sleepy sinner
Adults fuck up children and create bratty children, so beating the children does absolutely nothing. So many British adults I've met and witnessed are so fundamentally immature it's staggering.

No, bratty children are spoiled children, so disciplining them when they're young prevents them becoming spoiled.

examples of immaturity?

Squirrel
06-24-2005, 06:12 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing someone who's not Kim Jong Il being in charge of North Korea. That guy is creeping the fuck out of me.

Kinbote
06-24-2005, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by Squirrel
I wouldn't mind seeing someone who's not Kim Jong Il being in charge of North Korea. That guy is creeping the fuck out of me.

I don't know - it's kind of charming how he goes in for every lunatic despot cliche.

Ian
07-22-2005, 06:57 AM
Originally posted by UncleLester
In the case of Chavez, no: someone who destroys his country's fragile democratic institutions and its economy in the name of a self-glorifying "revolution."

Was Chavez not just re-elected in a recall vote?
Was Chavez himself not the victim of an attempted coup d'etat by the wealthy elite of Venezuala?
Does Chavez not have socialist leanings?
oes Chavez not say no to America and drive his nations oil profits back into the poor of his nation?

Ian
07-22-2005, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by UncleLester
Well, from one yes-man to another: Allende was a tool of the Soviets. Rather nice, though, the Chile has managed to move on as it has from the gloomier aspects of its past - stable democratic government now, relative lack of corruption, happily humming economy. Well on its way, it's said, to first world status: ought to be on southern (though I suppose eastern would be the bottom-rung "decent" comparison these days) Europe's heels in a decade or two. One wonders why these other South Americans can't get their acts together in a similar fashion.

I don't think it's so much an aversion to a "strong and unified" Latin America that prompts meddling as it is old habits - the Cold War obligation to prevent the Red Hordes from obtaining any kind of toehold in our hemisphere. We've just not bothered to cut it out. "Running the show" (fuck, political topics just draw out the cliches, don't they? There's an awful lot in here) is, it would seem, addictive - and it's especially hard to stop when one's intelligence and diplomatic apparatuses consist of massive entrenched bureaucracies dedicated equally to self-preservation and self-promotion.

Personally, I'd like a strong and unified Latin America: as fine as it'd be for them, it would also be a tremendous economic boost to the United States. And everyone else.

You see this is the worse thing. Who gives a fuck if Allende was a tool of the Soviets (questionable) because he was democratically elected. You cannot stand for democracy and then say democracy only if we like who you elect. Allende was replaced by whom? Pinochet? Get fucking real man. Don't even attempt to justify that.

Kinbote
07-22-2005, 06:16 PM
I feel no compulsion to respond to your ideologically-based ignorance.

Ian
07-24-2005, 02:31 AM
I am not a socialist, but I'm not willing to justify Chile's political history with the state of its current economy in comparison to the rest of South America. Also, I was (honestly, though you may not believe me) asking questions about Chavez - because these are the only things I know about him and you didn't spell out why you felt it was to assassinate him. In short, my ignorance is not ideologically based!

Kinbote
07-24-2005, 03:13 AM
Well, fine - sorry: I sensed a hostility on your part I guess wasn't there.

My point re: Allende is that his regime, if continued, would likely have been as antidemocratic and secret-murder-friendly as Pinochet, and that, given the choice of two evils, I'll take the one that puts me on the way to a Western European/North American standard of living.

As for Chavez - he's a scumbag, not much more than some others I'll grant you, and probably okayer than a few, but Venezuela has been a country I've been interested in, and following events in, ever since an elementary school report, so when things get fucked around, they irritate me a great deal more. The recall referendum was rigged, by the way; Chavez led an attempted coup himself some years before his initial election; political persecutions are expanding exponentially; his oil money is being used to BRIBE the lower classes into complacency, not to make any fundamental changes - and only in part: the rest is being used to fund left-wing insurgencies in Columbia and Bolivia.

Squirrel
07-25-2005, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by UncleLester
I don't know - it's kind of charming how he goes in for every lunatic despot cliche.

I think I read somewhere that he's like obsessed with Hollywood action movies or something too. I wonder what he'd make of 'Team America.'

XenonDreams
07-29-2005, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by Ian
Was Chavez not just re-elected in a recall vote?
Was Chavez himself not the victim of an attempted coup d'etat by the wealthy elite of Venezuala?
Does Chavez not have socialist leanings?
oes Chavez not say no to America and drive his nations oil profits back into the poor of his nation?

does any of this mean he isn't running the country into the ground?

aria
08-20-2005, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by XenonDreams
does any of this mean he isn't running the country into the ground?

how do you know? US media told you?

Kinbote
08-20-2005, 04:34 PM
I think the massive rate of inflation and diminished GDP are most telling.

Barbarian Love Elephant
08-20-2005, 05:12 PM
Don't forget to add the plundering of reserves to fund social projects with no program to replenish cos you know thats always a good idea!

aria
08-20-2005, 06:20 PM
The US illegally tried to overthrow an elected President. Chavez not only survived that but also went on insisting that his country's oil should stay put. The US proceeded to demonize him. There are many many much worse Presidents around the world who commit genocides and put people in jail for speaking their mind. Erdogan is an obvious example. But you wouldn't know him because he's one the US's greatest allies. So I don't see NATO trying to export democracy through a coup d'etat in Erdogan's country soon. I guess Armenians, Kurds and all those journalists imprisoned in those lovely white cells will have to wait till Erdogan refuses oil to the US until your sympathy extends to them.

think the massive rate of inflation and diminished GDP are most telling.

I'm sure that has nothing to do with an unnaturally aggressive - blackmail one would think - financial "policy" the US has imposed on Venezuela :rolleyes:

Barbarian Love Elephant
08-20-2005, 07:11 PM
Why must you presume all it does is to cast an arrogant light on yourself.

Kinbote
08-21-2005, 12:38 AM
...Erdogan, whose assumption of office was just as democratic as Chavez's. And there are also more than a few worse leaders out there than him. Both supported by the US, and opposed.

Not that I'm defending him. But, you know.

And I think most of Venezuela's economic problems have to do with their own inept policies. Inept prior to Chavez, certainly, but he sure isn't fixing them, and is most likely making them worse.

I'm not making accusations or trying to goad you or anything, really I'm not, this is an honest question - how much of your sympathy for Chavez has to do with the fact that he's left-wing? For my part I'll admit that a fair portion of my antipathy towards him stems from that fact.

aria
08-21-2005, 06:42 AM
Originally posted by UncleLester
...

I am not left-wing. And I don't have sympathy for Chavez. I have sympathy for a nation who through its vote said no to the US meddling in their country's affairs and oil for no democratic reason, are demonized for it and are punished for it. If the US wishes to export democracy, it should stop trying to overthrow elected presidents.

Just the fact that you think that Erdogan was democratically elected shows how woefully ignorant you are of news/politics that have not been Murdoch approved.

Kinbote
08-21-2005, 05:00 PM
I said that Erdogan assumed office as democratically as Chavez. Which is to say, in an illusory sort of way.

I also think the coup attempt against Chavez would have been significantly less likely to have happened, whatever his oil policies, had he not repeatedly proclaimed the United States an enemy, and snuggled with Castro. (Both of these, especially the latter, done now with exta enthusiasm.) It's also not as if nobody in Venezuela supported the coup - or, indeed, initiated the idea.

Anyway, Danny, er, I mean -

Narcissistic Nihilist
08-22-2005, 05:23 AM
Originally posted by UncleLester
Anyway, Danny, er, I mean -
dont bring me into this, you coward.

Kinbote
08-22-2005, 06:00 AM
Originally posted by Narcissistic Nihilist
dont bring me into this, you coward.

Your name is a byword for argumentativeness in around here, sir. Take no offense at my gentle joshing.

Narcissistic Nihilist
08-22-2005, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by UncleLester
Your name is a byword for argumentativeness in around here, sir. Take no offense at my gentle joshing.
Well, refrain then.

Saxton
08-24-2005, 01:02 AM
HUGO CHAVEZ!!!

This thread was very prophetic - that nut Pat Robertson has recently commented that he ought to be assassinated by the US.

Did I mention that Robertson is a nut?

vordabois
08-24-2005, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by Saxton
This thread was very prophetic - that nut Pat Robertson has recently commented that he ought to be assassinated by the US.

Did I mention that Robertson is a nut?

Holy shit. :eek:

I just logged online for the first time tonight, and it's on my "My Yahoo!" page under Reuters Political News. Top story.

U.S. evangelist calls for assassination of Chavez
By Jackie Frank
Tue Aug 23, 7:14 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Conservative U.S. evangelist Pat Robertson called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, but top U.S. officials denied on Tuesday that any such illegal act was being contemplated.

Venezuelan officials said Robertson's remarks were "a call to terrorism," and demanded President George W. Bush condemn his political ally and fellow Christian conservative. But Chavez, who was winding up a three-day visit to communist ally Cuba, told reporters he didn't care about Robertson. "I don't even know who this person is."

Robertson, the founder of the Christian Coalition and a presidential candidate in 1988, said Chavez, one of Bush's most vocal critics, was a "terrific danger" to the United States and intended to become "the launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism."

"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," Robertson said during Monday broadcast of his religious "The 700 Club" program.

"We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator," he continued. "It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld dismissed Robertson's remarks, but the White House remained silent despite calls for repudiation from Venezuela and religious leaders including the Rev. Jesse Jackson.

"Certainly it's against the law. Our department doesn't do that type of thing," Rumsfeld told reporters.

Both he and State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said the remarks were from a private citizen and did not represent the U.S. government position. "Private citizens say all kinds of things all the time," Rumsfeld added.

McCormack added, "Any accusations or any idea that we are planning to take hostile action against Venezuela or the Venezuelan government -- any ideas in that regard are totally without fact and baseless."

Venezuela's ambassador to Washington, Bernardo Alvarez, said Bush needs to guarantee Chavez's safety at next month's United Nations meeting in New York.

"Mr Robertson has been one of this president's staunchest allies. His statement demands the strongest condemnation by the White House," Alvarez said.

In Caracas, Venezuelan Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel said, "This is a huge hypocrisy to maintain an anti-terrorist line and at the same time have such terrorist statements as these made by Christian preacher Pat Robertson coming from the same country."

Chavez was first elected in 1998 and won a referendum on his rule last year. Polls show he would be re-elected in 2006. Venezuela is the world's fifth largest oil exporting country and a major supplier to the United States.

In his broadcast, Robertson said: "You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it.

"It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."

The comments hearkened back to a long history of U.S. political and military interventions in Latin America including the invasions of Grenada in 1983 and Haiti in 1994, attempts to assassinate Castro and a CIA-backed coup in Chile in 1973.

Political assassination as U.S. policy has been prohibited since 1976.

Despite the attention by government officials, media and religious leaders, Robertson made no further comment.

Jackson called Robertson's remarks "morally degenerate" and said Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice "cannot be silent on such a suggestion by one who has had such a relationship with the White House." He plans to meet with religious leaders in Venezuela next week.

This was only the most recent explosive Robertson remark. Criticizing the State Department in 2003, he said "maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up."

Robertson's "700 Club" reaches an average 1 million American viewers daily, according to his Web site.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050823/pl_nm/venezuela_robertson_dc

Wow.

Kinbote
08-24-2005, 01:42 AM
Clearly this proves that I control the mind of Pat Robertson. Cool!

Spaced
08-24-2005, 01:43 AM
Christian evangelists...always after the peaceful solution:rolleyes:

flower shower
08-24-2005, 07:42 AM
Regarding Mr. Ian's questions, I see eye to eye with Ted 99%. By the way, I voted in that referendum, it was a joke, not to mention, a terrible insolation.

Herr Lipp
08-24-2005, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by Spaced
Christian evangelists...always after the peaceful solution:rolleyes:

yeah. pssshht. :)

Saxton
08-26-2005, 12:35 AM
Originally posted by Spaced
Christian evangelists...always after the peaceful solution:rolleyes:

I know. As a Christian, it makes me so sick. It could not be missing the point of Jesus' teaching more. Seriously.

Squirrel
08-26-2005, 03:28 AM
Is Pat Robertson the guy who's always praying for liberal supreme court judges to die too?

Saxton
08-26-2005, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by Squirrel
Is Pat Robertson the guy who's always praying for liberal supreme court judges to die too?

Yes. He's also the one who believes that when women become feminists they murder their babies, and become lesbians. Not to mention the less than flattering things he has to say about Islam.

In a certain sense, I consider myself to be a feminist. Does that mean I'm going to become a lesbian?? :eek:

Squirrel
08-26-2005, 10:32 AM
Yes. Yes it does.

Holy crap. I had a look for this guy on wikiquote 'cause I was bored, and he's like the biggest asshole who ever walked the earth.

vordabois
08-28-2005, 03:21 AM
Originally posted by Squirrel
Holy crap. I had a look for this guy on wikiquote 'cause I was bored, and he's like the biggest asshole who ever walked the earth.

Hehe... South Park made fun of him on one of their episodes...

http://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1TUWJ325LRTVU11ICZ8OFGDB5V

It's just a bit part, but it's pretty accurate at least. :-p