Political Leanings

[placeholder86]

Where do you stand? :turkey: :wtf: :yell: ;)

[snowballinhell]

i say liberal.. but not 'very' liberal..
since i'm getting older and slightly more conservative?
ghost

[El Scorcho]

liberal, probably a bit too much for my own good.

[El Scorcho]

very liberal, even. heh.

[Kris K]

Anarcho-Syndicalist

I don't want to press Liberal because I don't want to be bunched in with these Democrat jokers.

Society should be structured like this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Revolution

It only lasted one year before being crushed by the fascists and Stalinists, but whatever.

[The Sellout]

Liberal --> very liberal. In between the two.

I'm no anarchist, and i support the idea of things like CCTV in PUBLIC places (the patriot act is a pile of human-rights violating horsepoo), but other than that i'm very liberal

[Beanhead]

Can you define what the terms mean. I know what they mean, but can you define what YOU think they mean (just so I know which one to choose)?

[jinp6301]

Come on. You just have to take a glance at this forum to notice that most of the members are liberal

[tiah]

whats the dif between liberal and very liberal? :therock: i'm just wondering.

[thedoublehelix]

i would say the difference would be voting for legalization of marijuana, something like that.

[lisa]

Can you define what the terms mean. I know what they mean, but can you define what YOU think they mean (just so I know which one to choose)?
very liberal - all for gay rights, peace and love, super anti gun and pro womens choice, public services free for all, hate conservative bs

liberal - similer to very liberal but not super passionate about anti conservative causes

in the middle - flip flopper... lack of opinions/views either way

conservative - interested in money, probably come from money, and christianity, pro life, pro gun, pro war, anti public services = anti taxes, all for the rich getting richer and the poor dying faster

very conservative - the devil, the dubya, reagan.... aka batshit insane fuckos.




oh i cant wait to get hounded for this horrible post!

[_sean_]

Not going to hound you, Lisa, but i think your breakdowns are based on bad generalizations (well at least for the middle 3).

I personally voted in the middle and I can guarantee it’s not due to a lack of opinion. Socially I’m liberal but there are many fiscal aspects over the government where i could be considered conservative. So I put in the middle.

Honestly, I dunno. I'm not a fan of our two-party system. I don't think things are ever black & white.

[Dillon]

Around the middle, but a bit more liberal.

[lisa]

Not going to hound you, Lisa, but i think your breakdowns are based on bad generalizations (well at least for the middle 3).

I personally voted in the middle and I can guarantee it’s not due to a lack of opinion. Socially I’m liberal but there are many fiscal aspects over the government where i could be considered conservative. So I put in the middle.

Honestly, I dunno. I'm not a fan of our two-party system. I don't think things are ever black & white.
oh i agree 2 party systems are bs.. and yeah its total generalization hence i knew i would/should get shit for it

[placeholder86]

Jusdt curious as where you all stood. Most people on here seem pretty liberal, so the results are what I expected.

Id say I was very liberal, not as much as I used to be ( I was actually a member of a socialist pressure group! :lol: , my friends dad was a major socialist/activist type you see )

Now id say its all bullshit, all words and no action....I subscribe to the common philosophy that everybody should have the right to do whatever they want as long as they don't infringe on the emotion's and welfare of others.

I suppose ive slowly drifted into mild nihilism now though....

[Beanhead]

Not going to hound you, Lisa, but i think your breakdowns are based on bad generalizations (well at least for the middle 3).

I personally voted in the middle and I can guarantee it’s not due to a lack of opinion. Socially I’m liberal but there are many fiscal aspects over the government where i could be considered conservative. So I put in the middle.

Honestly, I dunno. I'm not a fan of our two-party system. I don't think things are ever black & white.

Move to Canada! They actually have a separatist party in the House of Commons. That kind of contradicts itself.


I suppose I'm in the middle.

[splatto]

I am very conservative, and in the middle of this socialist gulag we call Canada.

That old adage that 'people get more conservative with age' - well, I'm only 24.... :-)

[xangeleso]

I'm liberal but I hate that my first time I can actually vote in the country is between Obama, Clinton, or Edwards. We need a person who are not associated with any party and want to unite the country for the better. And if some feelings get hurt in the process, oh well. The government in this country is gone to shit!

:xo: Stef

[jinp6301]

I'm liberal but I hate that my first time I can actually vote in the country is between Obama, Clinton, or Edwards. We need a person who are not associated with any party and want to unite the country for the better. And if some feelings get hurt in the process, oh well. The government in this country is gone to shit!

:xo: Stef

yea but if theyre not associated with any party then they will most likely lose :P

[xangeleso]

yea but if theyre not associated with any party then they will most likely lose :P

That's why I (naively) keep praying for a revolution

:xo: Stef

[placeholder86]

That's why I (naively) keep praying for a revolution

:xo: Stef

:yes:

COME THE REVOLUTION!!!

:lol:

[lisa]

I am very conservative, and in the middle of this socialist gulag we call Canada.

That old adage that 'people get more conservative with age' - well, I'm only 24.... :-)
wow someone failed you growing up. thats really tragic.

[placeholder86]

where do you stand Lisa?

[lisa]

very liberal, probably too liberal for my own good, but conservative views on most everything nausiates me.

canada is being ruined right now by a bush copycat.

[splatto]

wow someone failed you growing up. thats really tragic.

Clever quip.

very liberal, probably too liberal for my own good, but conservative views on most everything nausiates me.

canada is being ruined right now by a bush copycat.


See, that's the problem with liberals like you, and conservatives who are just as ideological. There are problems with every ideology, and anybody closed minded enough that they get nauseous when they hear differing views usually tend to be one of two things - uninformed or undetermined to find the best of both ideologies to make them work together, to create a better society. The latter is by far the more serious concern, since even the most uninformed buffoon can be enlightened.

Lisa I just saw you're also from Canada. I run a very popular and well established rightwing blog on Canadian politics that also briefly touches American and international politics. I'd love to have differing views to confront and discuss in the comments sections, and welcome you to come comment http://www.splatto.net/blog/

All I ask is that you read the rules for commenting. The point of the site is to foster intellectual discussion of the issues that face us today, and silly empty rhetoric like "bush copycat" may be popular in Toronto, but it lacks substance and more importantly truth. I extend this offer to anyone els

[xangeleso]

You know, I think I would have made a really good hippie. I'm grateful though I wasn't born in that era because I probably would have become a drug addict. But their philosophy of love and peace to each man really resonates with me. Hell, I don't think you should be able to buy a piece of the land to make your home. Earth is earth, you shouldn't be able to buy and sell it like it's a commodity. People need to learn to share better. Maybe I am very liberal?

:xo: Stef

[Mike McCusker]

That is a pretty limited poll. The fact you only have ranges of conservative and liberal speaks volumes. I'd still call myself a socialist at 45. I think that my views on revolution have mellowed considerably, but I don;t think I have drifted to the right with old age. Just, you see a lot of attempts to implement the perfect society in practice and that changes your view on how you get to a better society, not on what its basic principles should be.

[placeholder86]

That is a pretty limited poll. The fact you only have ranges of conservative and liberal speaks volumes. I'd still call myself a socialist at 45. I think that my views on revolution have mellowed considerably, but I don;t think I have drifted to the right with old age. Just, you see a lot of attempts to implement the perfect society in practice and that changes your view on how you get to a better society, not on what its basic principles should be.

I didnt want a really detailed political profile of everyone here, so....D: D:

[kittybear]

I didnt want a really detailed political profile of everyone here, so....D: D:

yes...such silly things would soil such pretty boxes...

[lisa]

Clever quip.



See, that's the problem with liberals like you, and conservatives who are just as ideological. There are problems with every ideology, and anybody closed minded enough that they get nauseous when they hear differing views usually tend to be one of two things - uninformed or undetermined to find the best of both ideologies to make them work together, to create a better society. The latter is by far the more serious concern, since even the most uninformed buffoon can be enlightened.

Lisa I just saw you're also from Canada. I run a very popular and well established rightwing blog on Canadian politics that also briefly touches American and international politics. I'd love to have differing views to confront and discuss in the comments sections, and welcome you to come comment http://www.splatto.net/blog/

All I ask is that you read the rules for commenting. The point of the site is to foster intellectual discussion of the issues that face us today, and silly empty rhetoric like "bush copycat" may be popular in Toronto, but it lacks substance and more importantly truth. I extend this offer to anyone els
ill take you up on this offer.

dispite your toronto dis.


im guessing your from the most conservative place in canada - alberta. :oh:

[donnyidk]

yuh i'm not gonna vote. because i don't see how i could call myself either liberal or conservative. because a) those labels mean so many different things, so my conservative might be your liberal (well...)
and b) because that's like saying what's your favourite colour: opaque or transparent?

[kittybear]

and b) because that's like saying what's your favourite colour: opaque or transparent?

:O

good one

[Beanhead]

ill take you up on this offer.

dispite your toronto dis.


im guessing your from the most conservative place in canada - alberta. :oh:

Haha...Alberta :heart: But just for the record, I'm from Alberta and I'm not Conservative.

[tiah]

very liberal - all for gay rights, peace and love, super anti gun and pro womens choice, public services free for all, hate conservative bs

liberal - similer to very liberal but not super passionate about anti conservative causes
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hmm. well i still don't know which one to choose off of that. i'm gonna say liberal Dem leaning towards i think politics are a bunch of ****

[Dovecoat]

Not a regular, but I pop in occassionally...

On social and environmental/wildlife habitat issues I'm VERY liberal. In fact, many very liberal people at times think I'm a bit extreme. On fiscal and government issues... I'm torn. Honestly, I adhere more to the Libertarian Socialist school of thought on things, I suppose. I'm against corporations and private ownership of resources (and the Imperialism that ensues... see: United States of America). And I'm for things taking care of basic needs, such as free health care for all, mandatory humane farming practices, etc... But I'm against rent control, affirmative action, income tax, etc...

I think "liberal" and "conservative" are skewed, though. Someone earlier mentioned "anarchism" as liberal, which, by our common use, it's not. "Liberal" is associated with "left wing" politics, and "left wing" politics are associated with lots of government run social services. Well, anarchists are against a central government, and thus against government run social services... so they aren't "liberal". Also, "conservative" is generally associated with low taxes... however, under Bush, as "conservative" as you get, taxes were actually increased for the middle and lower classes (albeit in crafty/sneaky ways)... and many centralized government organizations (mostly "anti-terrorism") were implemented during the Bush administration (... Bush is actually quasi-Communist)... as well as restriction of personal liberties.

And the definitions change. Historically, social liberties were synonymous with "right" economic systems, and restricted under "left" economic systems (ie: certain implementations of Communism). However, in most Western countries, that's now become the opposite.

So... I can see why so many people are confused by the question. All the same... it makes the thread more interesting.

[splatto]

ill take you up on this offer.

dispite your toronto dis.


im guessing your from the most conservative place in canada - alberta. :oh:

No, I'm just down the road form Alberta, in Ottawa. :turkey:

It wasn't a Toronto dis at all, I was quoting what you said and stated where you were from ;)

[splatto]

Someone earlier mentioned "anarchism" as liberal, which, by our common use, it's not. "Liberal" is associated with "left wing" politics, and "left wing" politics are associated with lots of government run social services. Well, anarchists are against a central government, and thus against government run social services... so they aren't "liberal". Also, "conservative" is generally associated with low taxes... however, under Bush, as "conservative" as you get, taxes were actually increased for the middle and lower classes (albeit in crafty/sneaky ways)... and many centralized government organizations (mostly "anti-terrorism") were implemented during the Bush administration (... Bush is actually quasi-Communist)... as well as restriction of personal liberties.

And the definitions change. Historically, social liberties were synonymous with "right" economic systems, and restricted under "left" economic systems .... However, in most Western countries, that's now become the opposite.



Well I agree with your first statement but not all your points to back it up.

Anarchists aren't necessarily against a central government, they're against _government_ period. Opposition to a central government is a conservative position, not an anarchist one - it's the belief that the service rendered should be delivered and administered in the jurisdiction that makes sense. Healtd:

1. I will spend more in taxes to put my kid in daycare than I would if I were to pay for it on my own because under the subsidized way I will have to pay for bureaucrats to move my money around from department to department; and
2. Who the hell is the government to tell me how to raise my child? If I want to be a stay at home dad, or my wife a SAHM, or if grandma wants to look after my children, why do I have to pay out the asshole in taxes _in addition_ to actually paying for my children to have a babysitter, or _in addition_ to the loss of one income in the household. It really comes down to a freedom issue.

And because it comes down to a freedom issue, I also disagree with your statement that in Western countries the left brings about economic freedom, and as an example I would reiterate the nationalized daycare example from the above paragraph.

Essentially, anarchism can be defined no more simpler as extreme libertarianism. You're right, the labels are way too vague to really mean anything specific from one person to the next. I guess if we wanted to think about the general meanings of the labels, you could approximately describe me as a pie chart with sections that are 70% conservative, 20% libertarian, and 10% liberal.

And you're absolutely right about GWB. Ss a self described conservative, GWB is, by no stretch of the word, a "conservative".



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[donnyidk]

lack of conclusions?

[McCoy]

I politically lean on the people. Who am I? The government.

[Dovecoat]

Anarchists aren't necessarily against a central government, they're against _government_ period. Opposition to a central government is a conservative position, not an anarchist one - it's the belief that the service rendered should be delivered and administered in the jurisdiction that makes sense. Health care, for example, would be the jurisdiction of the city for the most part with I suppose some minimal standards legislated by the central government that all cities must abide by and even better, exceed.

True... I guess I was just using the concept of "government" a little loosely. Anarchists aren't necessarily against organization for a common good... which can be city, neighborhood, etc... which I was classifying under "government".

And because it comes down to a freedom issue, I also disagree with your statement that in Western countries the left brings about economic freedom, and as an example I would reiterate the nationalized daycare example from the above paragraph.

No no... I didn't say that in the West left brings about economic freedom. I said that left economic were more conducive to social liberties, and right economics to social restrictions. This has nothing to do with the economic systems necessarily (as a truly "right" system, lacking imperialism and corporate ownership, is actually historically more socially "liberal")... just what's associated with them. Namely in America the major "right" party is the Republican Party, and the Republican Party has been infiltrated by the religious-right for a few decades now... therefore, a right economic system that opposes lots of social freedom. And conversely, the Democratic Party (economically left) is (relatively) liberal.

And you're absolutely right about GWB. Ss a self described conservative, GWB is, by no stretch of the word, a "conservative".

Agreed. Many of his policies are actually very much out of line with most every "conservative/right" ideology in history.