Question for Addy Alumni : 5 or more years on Sweetaddy

[romancandle23]

I'm pretty sure I've been here for longer than 7 yrs, and maybe under a different name, but I was wondering something...does it make you sad to see how different the board is now? Hell, I come here once a day, but haven't posted in months. It's just so weird now that he's gone. I used to come here and see photos from last night's performance, or read reviews and news on when the "new record" is coming out. I dunno...I always go through phases now where I don't listen to Elliott for months, then BAM, in like one day, I'll kinda break down and listen to nothing but E.S for like a week straight. Autumn always reminds me of Elliott. I guess when summer is officially on it's way out come september, I'll have another break down, and bum around with my Ipod on and go on an E.S overload, but I really need to know if anyone else out there who has been on this board for a long time feels the same way. Also, I love to make Elliott mix cd's from time to time, and to be honest, the saddest, most fucked up songs are my fav's. Isn't that weird? If you've been here for a while, take some time to go read OLD posts or threads. It's really odd, but makes me feel better. I guess I'm having one of those days. Aw well. I'm done for now...see ya in October.

[candylion]

well of course it's not the same...
i never posted here 5 years ago, but frequently visited sweetadeline for news, etc... i don't know.. how long has been sweetadeline been around? because i've been checking out charlie's website pretty much from the beginning... does that give me cred? :oh: .
just because people haven't posted here for years and years doesn't mean they haven't been elliott fans for years and years...

and the phases you're going through of not listening to elliott for a long stretch and then you go on a binge? that is exactly me.. i have trouble listening to him now.. it hurts.
but i'll go through a mini-phase of just listening to him.
i'm looking forward to the day where i can just listen to him like it's listening to the beatles... if that makes any sense. i love them.
i love john lennon. i'm sad that john lennon is gone.. but i accept that he's gone...
i still have trouble accepting that elliott is gone.

anyway.. sorry i'm not one of the people you were hoping would respond to this thread...

[Mike McCusker]

I guess I listen less and less. I had to bug some old school addyiers into even buying New Moon (because regarless of any history it was a great album and they were missing out). I miss the people really. I have little or no connection (yes, I know its my own fault) with most current members. I couldn;t really imagine building the same kind of friendships I had with regulars with people who have arrived more recently. Don;t know why? Different chemistry because of the elements involved that seemed to make the begining so special?

[DrHibbert]

I don't see the community as being so much different. But maybe it's because I never built any really close relationships with any of the members, especially before he died.

What is really different, that you pointed out romancandle, is not hearing about where Elliott's been, where he played, what album he's working on, who's making trips to go see the shows, etc. That's pretty sad to not get to see that anymore. I used to love coming on here to check the setlists from recent shows and see new stuff or covers he was playing, who was opening for him, are they good (almost always were), etc. It sucks not being able to do that anymore, and it still feels like it's only been months, not years.

[Niiru]

of course it's different now and it sucks, but that's mostly because elliott is gone. there is no talk of meetups before shows or talks about the hope for the next album or random topics about the aftermaths of said events. it's a different atmosphere around here. for a while we were flooded by emo kids who only seemed to want to revel in the sadness and talk about depressing shit. the mood of the board and thus my interest in getting to know most of the new people went to 0. you know, there are still some really cool people here, and the farther away from elliott's death the more they seem to represent the total population here as the drama seeking indie kids have mostly moved on to look for another ambulance to chase.

(can you tell i'm in a angry funk today?)

[romancandle23]

Yeah it's def. not about the people on here. I don't care about the newbies etc, cuz' everyone is cool...but it is most def. about the actual details on Elliott himself. What he wore last night, the songs, the banter, the meet ups etc. Fuck, I cannot believe that just like that he's gone. We drove from Toronto to DC to see him. I waited out front of his big red tour bus to try to meet him. I sat at a Chinese food restaurant and drank Brown Cows next door to the phoenix before the last time I would ever see him alive. That night I yelled "Toronto loves you Elliott!" and he said "I love you too." Wow. I just remembered that. I miss that stuff a lot.

[pointyjess]

of course it's different now and it sucks, but that's mostly because elliott is gone. there is no talk of meetups before shows or talks about the hope for the next album or random topics about the aftermaths of said events. it's a different atmosphere around here. for a while we were flooded by emo kids who only seemed to want to revel in the sadness and talk about depressing shit. the mood of the board and thus my interest in getting to know most of the new people went to 0. you know, there are still some really cool people here, and the farther away from elliott's death the more they seem to represent the total population here as the drama seeking indie kids have mostly moved on to look for another ambulance to chase.

(can you tell i'm in a angry funk today?)


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[Ignorant Bliss]

the board did change massively when elliott died. the moderators did a fantastic job at the time to retain sanity under some horrible pressure. and the board lived on. pretty much the same as it ever was; apart from elliott and some oldbies :lecry:

[homemadealliance]

i know i am still a newbie on this board, but man, you're tearin my heart out guys.
:cry:

[Needs Wasabi]

I've been here for over 2 years and I still don't know what's going on.

I just remember reading all the old threads about Elliott's death when I first signed up here. Now those threads are gone too. Besides the one that Monotype started that's in the memorial forum.

[standinaround]

yes, it's changed immensely
no, i don't recognize anyone
yes, i can still amuse myself here.

and isn't that all that matters? D:

[meepmeep]

yeah its changed .. but that is the way of the world.
meh i think people get to attached to things instead of seeing life as a fluid, ever changing adventure.

[Needs Wasabi]

yes, it's changed immensely
no, i don't recognize anyone
yes, i can still amuse myself here.

and isn't that all that matters? D:

Do you mind if I ask what your username used to be?

By the way. I'm Selena. It is nice to meet you. :drums:

[meepmeep]

:therock:
you dont know the pandoras box youve opened

damn this pooter doesnt allow apostrophes

[standinaround]

:therock:
you dont know the pandoras box youve opened

damn this pooter doesnt allow apostrophes


D:

[freckled star]

In addition to Elliott no longer being with us, I think the board has changed also as internet culture has changed. Sweetaddy has changed virtually none except for minor appearance tweaks and a change in color scheme since 2000, but the internet around it certainly has changed. The way we expept to communicate online has changed as a result of blogs (virtually unheard of in 2000), MySpace, and other developments. I think what was beautiful about Sweetaddy circa 2001 was the casual nature of the place, and the very adult feel (never a troll nor a serious squabble). The web just doesn't leave space for a place like that anymore.

That said, there are many goods things about the way the web is today versus 6 or 7 years ago, but if you change a good thing, it's inevitable that you'll miss aspects of how it was before.

[kuta]

:therock:
you dont know the pandoras box youve opened

damn this pooter doesnt allow apostrophes

:lol:

[fake concerns]

i wish i could've been old enough/smart enough to get into elliott's music earlier in life and get the chance to see sweet addy in it's "better" days. i like sweet addy now, having never known anything different, but the way y'all talk about it really makes me long for the old times (although i wouldn't have probably been able to enjoy them, being so young at the time) and elliott just being around... somewhere. :(

[Capt Argo]

yeah its changed .. but that is the way of the world.
meh i think people get to attached to things instead of seeing life as a fluid, ever changing adventure.

Word !:cody:

[kuta]

mainly missin the anticipation of wanting to hear / guess what (when) he was gonna release next, getting excited about hearing ('about' even) something new in the works or about shows (like when the pretty (ugly) / a distorted reality is now a necessity to be free single finally came out !!!! :cry::bop::cry: or when he started touring w/ grandaddy :dance: or when (i think it was) charlie posted about them playing true love over the PA @ (?) largo (?) (+ was that when charlie got to go and hang backstage or something ? (my memory is pretty shocking :c ) what seems like forever ago :\ ) or hoping he would come back and play brisbane, or waiting w/ sure anticipation for the fking brilliant elliott country album that was definitely gonna come out sooner or later ( the cowboy boots dwg was a precursor ).. :-p !!!!.

:no::darn:

<\3
:heart:
xo

[kuta]

ps: it is a relief that the number of emo poseurs flooding this board w/ drivel has dissipated back to almost negligible pre 10/03 levels. the vibe has become a lot better lately than it had been 4 a v long time, but w/out a living/breathing,still-creating elliott out there, this place/community can't/shouldn't-even-try-to be anything like the (h)hhelliott (h)heyday.

[beth]

it's very different. mostly because i don't understand what the hell anyone is saying. you know: lolz, lmao, gaklsjda;l. et.al.

i miss lots of people. jenn, crying clown, waif, lizard kind, tyler durden, revelator, JAMES, pink, brennabunny, harry, bluebeard, theregoesmygun, mccusker, blunar, and more. mostly elliott.

i got to meet erin at an elliott show, wallace, bluebeard, and amy, brenna. i loved them all. mostly the board is dumber. that's all. save for a few people who still have opinions that make fucking sense.

there's reputation points (which are dumb as hell), there's a bunch of spam, a bunch of nonsensical mayhem.

i still come check it out, but there isn't the intelligence and fun there once was.

and now i get negative points. yay.

[asgoodasdead]

My user info says i joined in '02, but i remember something like a revamp of the board or something and i had to start my profile over again. ive actually been a member since '00 or '01. i remember being on here every night for a solid year, and then when he died, i just kinda stopped coming around. all the threads were the same, and like others mentioned above, the lack of setlists and show reviews really made his death all so final. it was really sad, it's still sad, i guess.

[solveig]

proud post-
10/03
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[joely]

Im glad life carries on
and things change.
live in the past and you'll
get left there

[Ally]

i left for a year because of people like hannah and gutenbend. they are now gone so i come back.

[pokey]

Before elliott died, I just wasn't into writing on the board. I had been emailing charlie around 1997-8 to ask him questions and thank him for starting the site. I do a lot more reading than conversing, and I stay away from spouting any opinions of great importance. True, there have been some very annoying folks wanting to be part of the community, but I've always come here mainly to laugh at other people's jokes. unfortunatley I also feel compelled to talk about antidepressants sometimes :darn: but as for what I come here for: music appreciation, other people's brilliance I just focus on those things as I always have. great people come and go and sometimes come back again... since I don't assert my personality much to begin with, the board is fine with me.

I am really happy that I got to meet charlie and a few others... I'm not a large group meeting up kind of person so I've gotten what I've wanted.... :)

[flappersalley]

I appreciate the old timer geeks. If it weren't for the previous site, I would have been one lonely puppy at work. I seriously burned up hours of company time on es.net.

I pop by occasionally, but mostly it seems as though there is a lot of insincerity. For example, Mike McCusker started a perfectly nice thread about what is most important in life and folks had to make it fall stupid. please, oxygen? How about devotion to one's people, to their desires, their dreams, their real needs besides pithy hahas. Stupid!

I don't have time for stupid anymore, so I can't come by and watch dancing bananas or smiley faces unless we're really chewing on something. Honestly, however, it wouldn't surprise me if some of the best writers are dead now. Remember Gerry from Ireland? What about Demo?

I love the inspiration that we can grow with the support of real folks, and there are fewer and fewer real folks that are willing or able to chew on much of anything. Dancing bananas. Geeze.

Sorry folks, I am sweating to death w/o AC here, ahh!

[kara lee]

on the topic of mikes thread. . . .
i, actually, thought oxygen was kind of a good answer.
whats most important to me? my brain kicked up at about a million miles a second. . . .how we treat/interact one another, my relationships with my family and friends, the health of the people i love, music and film, art, political/social isolation and on and on and on and on! and then i read "oxygen" and it reminded me that sometimes its the simple things, the things we take for granted that just might end up being most important. you know, in a way. perspective, i suppose.
there were also a whole lot of nice and clearly heartfelt responses in that thread. :yes:

[flappersalley]

Ok, well, you are a sweetie, so oxygen is good for you.

I'm talking about the other people.

You know who they are. Sorry if I didn't groove on the other responses, I'm dehydrated.

[defubar]

For example, Mike McCusker started a perfectly nice thread about what is most important in life and folks had to make it fall stupid. please, oxygen? How about devotion to one's people, to their desires, their dreams, their real needs besides pithy hahas. Stupid!

I don't know you, as you don't know me. However, I am glad that you're not a 'regular' anymore if all you have going for you is the ability to pop in on this thread and call me stupid for giving a literal response in some other thread. I hope you feel good you real person, you.

[Liquid Sunshine]

what is most important in life and folks had to make it fall stupid. please, oxygen?

I'd like to see if you can go on with your life without oxygen :O

[kuta]

Ok, well, you are a sweetie, so oxygen is good for you.

I'm talking about the other people.

You know who they are. Sorry if I didn't groove on the other responses, I'm dehydrated.

i am trying not to be sad thinking u don't like bananas.

:darn::\

[joely]

im just a newbie

[kuta]

im just a bewbie


:smelly:

[Ally]

I don't know you, as you don't know me. However, I am glad that you're not a 'regular' anymore if all you have going for you is the ability to pop in on this thread and call me stupid for giving a literal response in some other thread. I hope you feel good you real person, you.

WHOA!!!!!D: not cool

[Ian]

ps: it is a relief that the number of emo poseurs flooding this board w/ drivel has dissipated back to almost negligible pre 10/03 levels. the vibe has become a lot better lately than it had been 4 a v long time, but w/out a living/breathing,still-creating elliott out there, this place/community can't/shouldn't-even-try-to be anything like the (h)hhelliott (h)heyday.


has it dried up? i hadn't noticed.

[kara lee]

Ok, well, you are a sweetie, so oxygen is good for you.

I'm talking about the other people.

You know who they are. Sorry if I didn't groove on the other responses, I'm dehydrated.

i do know what youre sayin ;)
oxygen! and coffee! and my dear, sweet, friend who made coffee for me this morning! and a whole host of more important stuff - all very good things. :heart:
xx

[wardle]

i remember reading the boards back in 00/01 while i was writing my dissertaion at uni, listening to XO and figure 8 (amongst many others - i actually put 'music' into my acknowledgments section!) as i typed it up. the 'low flying jets' section sticks in my mind for some reason.

i suppose i didn't feel the need to register and post, i had the music (and the hope of more) - the site (and the board) was giving me news and it was fun to read. part of me felt i wouldn't fit in to a web community having never posted on the internerd before.

then, after elliott died, i felt the need to get involved and i've made some good friends (both in real life and virtually) through this board, i've been involved with a tribute gig through this board, attended numerous gigs through this board but all this feels like a time past.

maybe it's because i've moved (though i don't think so) but these days i just feel less inclined to post (i think i've posted more in the last two days than the last 6 months!)

i don't think i'll ever stop coming here, i just feel more and more removed. and this has nothing to do with any of the people here, past or present.

[beth]

ah yes. more removed is a good way to put it. sometimes i try to come back, but it's forced. thinking others will follow suit. but they don't, and i continue to realize why this board sucks (save for a handful or good grapes).

[cat]

Someone's crabby today!

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[cat]

P.S. :heart:

[E Smith Rock]

What is really different, that you pointed out romancandle, is not hearing about where Elliott's been, where he played, what album he's working on, who's making trips to go see the shows, etc. That's pretty sad to not get to see that anymore. I used to love coming on here to check the setlists from recent shows and see new stuff or covers he was playing, who was opening for him, are they good (almost always were), etc. It sucks not being able to do that anymore, and it still feels like it's only been months, not years.

It sucks that this isn't the focus of the board, it's actually kind of hard to say what the focus of this board is. When I first started posting, I'd make nonsense threads that didn't really have anything to do with Elliott at all, I just liked talking to people who loved his music the same way I did. To be honest, originally I thought people would have insights into certain questions I had, but that was unfair and stupid, because everyone deals with the same confusion. I still see people that genuinely love Elliott, making stupid threads for no reason, and it's hard to say why. I love the threads about the past, the "remember when this happened" posts, because I didn't start listening to Elliott until after he died(which I'm sure is the case with many of the people who post here now) and I just want to know what his life was like. I've read people writing "he had a sad life", well everyone has a said life, but he expressed his emotion in a positive way, and he really made a difference. Of course this board is going to be different, but it's the shared love of his melodies and lyrics(and incredible guitar talent) that makes it the same.

[ParentheticalThought]

I lurked on the board while Elliott was alive and only signed on after he died. It's a long story, but I just couldn't speak here while there was a chance that he could come on here and speak too. I don't contact the people I admire. I can't do it. But anyway, I know what you mean, Matt. I miss knowing that Elliott is on the other side of the country living his life and having that life reflected here. I miss knowing that his mind is at work. I miss his viewpoint, his warmth, his decency, his way with words, and having other people (because I never could) see him and interpret the experience for me and post it here. I miss having Charlie in that role, especially. I miss coming to Sweetaddy to find out more about something good that I knew was happening. I miss the excitement of reading as that good was expanded. Even when Elliott dropped out of sight, his potential remained here, like my favorite movie on pause. I can't believe I'll never see it again. I listen to his music compulsively, trying to recapture that time, then I burn myself out on it for a few days or weeks, then I come back again. I think Sweetaddy is a wonderful place still, and I appreciate the freedom and kindness and attitude, and the fact that it's continued to reinvent itself against all odds. But there's a hole where the old days were.

[beth]

ah! the headfullofwaifstars post, 7 years ago!

http://web.archive.org/web/20001121021100/boards.blamo.org/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Elliott+Smith+Discussion&number=5&DaysPrune=30&LastLogin=

i kind of miss my old name.

[beth]

you cannot open the threads, but still. all the topics and the names. the simplicity of it all.

[robot hand]

does it make your heart yearn for days of old?!

[kuta]

what happened to goatcow99 ??? :lol:

[beth]

oh it does it does. i miss meing refeerred to as HFoF.

[kuta]

it kinda actually feels weird to NOT call u HFoF. :confused:;):yes:

[Needs Wasabi]

who was peach.pie?

i love that username.

[ParentheticalThought]

Well, what I wrote above was true, but jeez i shouldn't participate in threads like this late at night....D:

[beth]

it kinda actually feels weird to NOT call u HFoF. :confused:;):yes:

i can't believe you were goatcow. :)

[kuta]

peach is still (h)here :heart: :):yes:

[kuta]

i can't believe you were goatcow. :)

indeed.
nobody will ever believe :cry::cry::cry:

[kuta]

D: :confused: D:








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xo

hahahaha! :D

and isn't a cicada appropriately evil looking enough, sheesh, kuta. :)

[pianissimo]

hahahaha! :D

and isn't a cicada appropriately evil looking enough, sheesh, kuta. :)

Did you have the 17 year cicadas in your neighborhood? The noise here was deafening.

[beth]

we DID. my neighborhood was crawling iwth them, one of the worst in chicago. :)

but i kind of dig the critters. i guess they only have about 2 weeks to master their wings and fuck. so. that makes sense.

[kuta]

:-D:lol::-D

cicadas (h)have always been my buddies. :love:

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xo