New album info

[Nicole]

The Smashing Pumpkins have settled on the track list for "Zeitgeist," the first album since 2000. As previously reported, the album is due July 7 via Martha's Music/Reprise. A first single has yet to be specified, nor has the makeup of the band beyond original frontman Billy Corgan and drummer Jimmy Chamberlin.

"Is everyone afraid? Has everyone changed?," Corgan sings on opener "Doomsday Clock," a big, loud rocker in the vein of "Geek U.S.A." from "Siamese Dream." The set is frontloaded with songs of this ilk, hearkening back to the grunge era with detuned guitars and pounding drums on tracks such as "Tarantula," "Orchid" and "7 Shades of Black."

A more nuanced, less abrasive approach is evident on "Never Lost," which has vibraphone and organ tucked into the mix, while "For God and Country" is a bass-driven tune with shades of Depeche Mode-style synth-rock. The album closes with the mostly synth-powered "Pomp and Circumstance," as Corgan's multi-tracked vocals take on an angelic effect.

The band will play its first show in six-and-a-half years May 22 at the Grand Rex Theatre in Paris. European festival appearances will follow through mid-June; the Pumpkins' first U.S. show will be Aug. 5 in Baltimore as part of the V Festival.

Here is the track list for "Zeitgeist":

"Doomsday Clock"
"7 Shades of Black:
"Orchid"
"That's the Way"
"Tarantula"
"Starz"
"United States"
"Never Lost"
"Bring the Light"
"Come On (Let's Go)"
"For God and Country"
"Pomp and Circumstance"

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003574560

[Noshus Klam]

Some pretty terrible song titles there.

[Atomsk Iscariot]

Oh man is this some huge horrible joke?

[Drevpile]

i'm drunk - and very excited! that's all i can muster.... & this -> whoop!

[Noshus Klam]

I'm getting drunk now! Twinz!

[Noshus Klam]

Brad,

Download all the Lucero (the alt-country band, not the hispanic pop group) you can! Now!

Get these first,

That Much Further West
The Last Song

I would upload, but my internet is shit.

[Drevpile]

my girlfriend beckons ... i must depart... time to put on a couple of pumpkins' tracks me thinks & rock out! :) laters

[Atomsk Iscariot]

Guys, I'm suddenly starting to really miss Zwan.

[Atomsk Iscariot]

Brad,

Download all the Lucero (the alt-country band, not the hispanic pop group) you can! Now!

Get these first,

That Much Further West
The Last Song

I would upload, but my internet is shit.
Will do! I've been meaning to get into them for awhile.

[Noshus Klam]

I think you'll really like them, man. If you enjoy those songs, I'd recommend their self-titled album, Tennessee and That Much Further West. I can't say that I really enjoy the rest of their stuff, though. Maybe I just haven't listened to it enough.

[Herr Lipp]

you two fags listen to fucking country, and then slag off some average song titles?

I oughta beat seven shades of black out of you, you fucking blakcs

[Noshus Klam]

I slagged ya mum in the nappy dugout.

[Herr Lipp]

fucking geoffrey poo pants magee.

[Noshus Klam]

haha weren't we talking about how geoffrey was a terrible name once? what's cracking fras?

[Herr Lipp]

gdnite i am half cut.

[Daysleeper]

Those songs titles are like something from a Marilyn Manson album...hmm...I guess it's true, seems that they had an album playback for the press...so some other people should have the low-down soon, too.

Looking at the names of the songs, and thinking back to the SP flag, the words 'album' and 'concept' spring to mind.

Sounds like it RAWKS like a motherfucker, though :D

[Noshus Klam]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=178753931

here's the new Manson song. The new SP album is going to sound exactly like it.

[Tyler]

you two fags listen to fucking country

alt. country*

[Atomsk Iscariot]

Alt. country still = country, at least in the last few years since it's pretty much lost any of the punk influence it had in its heydey.

[Celluloid Love]

"Is everyone afraid? Has everyone changed?"



HAHAHAHA

[Celluloid Love]

If you have your hopes up still at this point, then I'm sorry.

[Noshus Klam]

WE ALL WANT TO HOLD IN THE EVERLASTING GAYS

[Daysleeper]

goffik

[EverAmphibian]

There must be some kind of mistake. This is the Wanking Pumpkins...now, i want the Smashing Pumpkins back, actually no i don't. They had their day...i just cringe at everything Billy and his ego does these days.

[Drevpile]

sgt. peppers

[Drevpile]

darkside of the moon

[Drevpile]

[any] led zep

[Noshus Klam]

All the songs are going to be really nu-metal influenced. They'll probably tour with Korn and Marilyn Manson in 2008.

[Drevpile]

what about limp bizkit ?

[falling star]

this looks pretty real, from bilboard.com....god this is aweful, just horrible looking if it's true. Some of the worst song titles I have ever seen.


more and more dissappointed with the new "sp"

[Drevpile]

i [hate] ^ you ^ so much right now...

[Noshus Klam]

what about limp bizkit ?

Are they still around? If so, Fred Durst can sing back up for Billy.

RAT IN A CAGEEEEEEE
(YO I'M A RAT IN A CAGE, A RAT IN A RAGE, ON THE STAGE)

[Chopstick]

I recognize this concept from somewhere.....








http://www.punknews.org/images/covers/green_day-american_idiot.jpg
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/42497-pumpkins-izeitgeisti-gets-a-tracklist

[Drevpile]

falling star - you are lilly allen.

[Drevpile]

Are they still around? If so, Fred Durst can sing back up for Billy.

RAT IN A CAGEEEEEEE
(YO I'M A RAT IN A CAGE, A RAT IN A RAGE, ON THE STAGE)

bucket head is the nu guitarist :)

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Are they still around? If so, Fred Durst can sing back up for Billy.

RAT IN A CAGEEEEEEE
(YO I'M A RAT IN A CAGE, A RAT IN A RAGE, ON THE STAGE)

:lol:

[Geo]

Oh man is this some huge horrible joke?

i certainly hope so!

[i]

No joke, I'm afraid, I've changed.

[kendra]

:lol:

:lol: x 2 .... that would be awesome. at least it'd be ending the whole charade of normalcy and "this our comeback!" sigh.

"Starz" is the only one that really bothers me...well, and "Tarantula" also. Billy is fucking obsessed with spiders.

[Tyler]

Alt. country still = country, at least in the last few years since it's pretty much lost any of the punk influence it had in its heydey.

i knooowww

but still...

[Peter]

i'm really glad i'm not as hopelessly jaded as some of you are. :D

[tommo]

it's the smashing pumpkins, we all the know the names of songs hardly ever mean anything.

[Asher]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=178753931

here's the new Manson song. The new SP album is going to sound exactly like it.
Then I'm not totally afraid.

I thought Manson had faded into obscurity. I really like "If I Was Your Vampire"; very Depeche-Mode and Holy Wood. Dare I say, I might pick up Eat Me, Drink Me and skip Year Zero, but that might change. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

None of those titles are as bunk as the album title. "Doomsday Clock" looks like it might be promising. Please, let's just bury that god-awful black and white American flag logo. That thing sucks HARD, and with two songs reputedly "United States" and "For God and Country", this may look like a case where I buy the CD, toss out the booklet, and make my own cover.

[Peter]

it's the smashing pumpkins, we all the know the names of songs hardly ever mean anything.

b0lly told me that the title of the thirty-third song ever officially released by the smashing pumpkins held the key to the machina mystery!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tommo]

sounds awesome.

[Evil Meanie]

Damn, people are already ripping the album just based on the damn song titles. I hate to see what it's going to be like on this board when the album actually leaks.

[Herr Lipp]

exactly meanie, people need to get out more, or fuck off to another message board. all song titles are bullshit anyway! I'm not closed minded.

[Noshus Klam]

Damn, people are already ripping the album just based on the damn song titles. I hate to see what it's going to be like on this board when the album actually leaks.

The same thing that happened when the Zwan and Billy Corgan albums came out. People are going to pretend to like them a lot and then stop listening after a month.

[Celluloid Love]

lol

[Noshus Klam]

Oh! Also, Brad will say it's the best album he's ever heard and Peter will yell at at everyone.

[Noshus Klam]

Further, I don't think the song titles are an indication of how bad this album will be, but all the talk of synth is worrying me.

[Daysleeper]

I was thinking about this in bed this mornings...despite my initial reservations over the album titles...I mean, they are very alt-rock 98-00...If they are compared to stuff like Crying Tree of Mercury and Sacred & Profane, they're not too bad...but they still seem very forcibly alt-rock.

[falling star]

Jermey Duperville ( I can't see your name when I type this pardon me) you are out of your mind if you say you hate me because of what I think of these titles. It is a fucking joke, these titles. I hope and hope and hope they are not real, wow. United States? oooo god here comes political shit with that flag, jesus. 7 shades of black.....okay. gulp.

[Jackal]

Idiot. You are such an idiot if you believe you can judge a song by it's title.

[Kran]

Ya, honestly, all you kids freaking the fuck out over song titles are absolutely ridiculous. The joke isn't the song titles, but the pessimism displayed by a great number of people in here. All of you are so geared up to shit all over this album as soon as it comes out, and you'll all be the first to jump on the band wagon if it's a big success. Are you people here to bitch and moan about something you haven't even heard a single note off of yet?? Totally irrational...(and a waste of time and energy) How are these song titles any different from 'Crush', 'Snail', 'Bury Me', 'Hummer' (i mean c'mon hummer??),'Geek USA', 'Rocket', 'Jelly Belly'...and most people cream their goddamn pants over these songs...and that list could go on. Chill the fuck out, go outside and enjoy the sun... be happy that we have a pumpkins album for the first time in 7 years. If it stinks, well such is life, not the end of the world, don't go hanging yourselves (least we have siamese dream), if it kicks ass well fuck ya!

[Noshus Klam]

The backlash over the backlash is actually worse. Everyone who has posted thus far was pretty calm compared to Kran and Fraser.

[Kran]

Your point being? Can you at least wait till you've heard the album before you trash it?

[Noshus Klam]

Your point being?

That you're telling everyone to chill out when you're the one in need of chilling, man!

[Celluloid Love]

Also, there is a song lyric included, and it is fucking horrible. So, shitty song titles with a snippet of shitty lyrics, coupled with the fact that Billy Corgan is a habitual let down and fuck up is hardly anything to look forward to.

[Celluloid Love]

Stop being such fan boys.

[Celluloid Love]

"Is everyone afraid? Has everyone changed?"


If you can get behind faerie bullshit like that then I am sorry for you.

[selection7]

Also, there is a song lyric included, and it is fucking horrible. So, shitty song titles with a snippet of shitty lyrics, coupled with the fact that Billy Corgan is a habitual let down and fuck up is hardly anything to look forward to.There it is again. Time and again it's not so much about Zietgiest with these people as it is with the past. You're absolutley right when you say they're gearing themselves up to trash it...like moths to a flame of negativity. But for your own sanity you just have to let people be ridiculous sometimes.

[Peter]

this thread should be in hell, everything said after the first post is absolutely worthless.

[Kran]

That you're telling everyone to chill out when you're the one in need of chilling, man!

Wow dude, that's an amazing talent you have, the ability to tell someones' emotion without being anywhere near them, if you actually read my post, you'll see that I meant people need to chill the fuck out with all the bitching and complaining. It gets old and tired..., and as far as being able to tell what the final outcome of the album is going to be through merely a track list and a lyric segment, holy shit dude, you must be a genius, way to go sherlock. As far as I understand, this is a Smashing Pumpkins fan board, so ya, you're damn right I'm a huge fan, are you too cool for school to admit that?

[Noshus Klam]

Wow dude, that's an amazing talent you have, the ability to tell someones' emotion without being anywhere near them, if you actually read my post, you'll see that I meant people need to chill the fuck out with all the bitching and complaining. It gets old and tired..., and as far as being able to tell what the final outcome of the album is going to be through merely a track list and a lyric segment, holy shit dude, you must be a genius, way to go sherlock. As far as I understand, this is a Smashing Pumpkins fan board, so ya, you're damn right I'm a huge fan, are you too cool for school to admit that?

Haha, you do realize that you were calling everyone's emotions (falsely) by asserting that people need to chill out?

You're the one who's bitching and complaining the most! It's as if you're training for some sort of hypocrisy olympics.

[chrisothoulos]

Stop being such fan boys.

Why are you here?

[Celluloid Love]

You obviously have no idea. It's ok. This board hasn't been about Billy Corgan in a long time, you fucking moron.

[Celluloid Love]

There it is again. Time and again it's not so much about Zietgiest with these people as it is with the past. You're absolutley right when you say they're gearing themselves up to trash it...like moths to a flame of negativity. But for your own sanity you just have to let people be ridiculous sometimes.
It is about Zeitgeist, everything I've heard so far about the record sucks, except for one use of "shoegaze".

[Kran]

Dude how did I know you were going to respond to that in that exact way? Are you here to argue semantics and bullshit just to prove some ill-fated point or prove yourself correct in some meaningless argument? Or are you here to actually rationally discuss issues? Don't be so petty.

[Kran]

As I stated earlier, twice, if you actually read, I was telling people to 'chill out' on the negative bullcrap, not asserting an emotional response or suggesting people were freakin out.

[Noshus Klam]

Dude, stop complaining and being negative. Chill out already, Pierre.

[Celluloid Love]

:lol:

[Kran]

Bravo, you behave like a child.

[Geo]

this thread should be in hell, everything said after the first post is absolutely worthless.

I agree.

[Noshus Klam]

I disagree. Move it back.

[Herr Lipp]

chuck you listen to some fucking bullshit bands but no one quotes lyrics from them to mock publicly, reason being we've all got better things to do with our lives.

you are the ones giving it on a smashing pumpkins board. I disagree that you are here merely for the atmosphere or cause you liked mellon collie etc etc, I think you get kicks out of attempting to spoil it for people looking forward to the new album.

SO why dont you do everyone a favour and grow up, shut up, or fuck off. That goes to chuck, brad, kris, and all teh other no-names.

[Herr Lipp]

you three are about as genuine as Santa Claus.

[Noshus Klam]

Come on dude, it would be boring if everyone was positive about it. The difference of opinion and ensuing discussions are what these boards are all about. Can you imagine how dull and lifeless this place would be if the discussions revolved around "I like the tracklist," to "I really like the tracklist,"?

[Nak Nak]

Why is this in hell????????????

Kran you need to stop freebasin' you crazy cracka!

The titles aren't so bad. It doesn't really matter to me what they are called - Pumpkins song titles have always been embarassing.

[Herr Lipp]

kris, Im 99per cent sure the purpose of this thread was to add some genuine information to the general anticipation. Im more annoyed that you poo-poo almost every thread on the board, now THAT is boring.

I dont really care about the tracklist, like craig says a lot of SP names are embarrassing but then again "Foxy Lady" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" are both :erm but they are still great songs.

God, Im starting to sound like I care about life.

[Noshus Klam]

kris, Im 99per cent sure the purpose of this thread was to add some genuine information to the general anticipation. Im more annoyed that you poo-poo almost every thread on the board, now THAT is boring.

I dont really care about the tracklist, like craig says a lot of SP names are embarrassing but then again "Foxy Lady" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" are both :erm but they are still great songs.

God, Im starting to sound like I care about life.

Yeah, but people have the right to state their opinions on the song-titles and the descriptions. No one was tearing down the people who were saying positive things. This thing wasn't even serious at all, really, until you and Kran started getting angry. I barely post on the SP board anymore either!

[Kran]

Listen man, I'm not trying to start shit up here. You're right, the whole purpose of this type of thing is for people to give their opinions. It's one thing to give your opinion based on some solid information (which there has really been little of), it's a whole other thing to base an opinion on irrational pretence. None of us have heard the album yet. All that being said, the lack of information given to fans up to this point has obviously grown very thin with people, me.

p.s. what's wrong with smokin rox Nak Nak?

[Nak Nak]

nuttin but i got the image of you hammerin at your keyboard like a crazy all foamin at the mouth all fidgetin like a trapped insect all sweatin like a boxer your dog cowerin in the corner in a puddle of its own urine your trousers all steamin

[Kran]

Crazy man, how the hell do you even conceive of an image like that?? That's some kind of imagination, no dog though, and I prefer a diaper so I don't have to take washroom breaks.

[Nak Nak]

well dogg i ain't say you weed yourself jus your dog what i'm sayin is that your trousers must be steamin like wet sheep comin in from the cold cus of the fidgetin creatin friction from your crazy diction

[Kran]

nice rhyme.

[Nicole]

Thanks for killing this thread.

[Nak Nak]

STFU n00b, the thread was dead the moment it was stupidly sent to hell. Hell threads are fair game.

[Evil Meanie]

Even though the thread is already in Hell, and has degenerated into an argument about negativity on the message board, I will go ahead and add my two cents....

I don't really see what the problem with the tracklist was. I mean, it's not like you should have been expecting amazing titles, and you must admit that "Doomsday Clock" sounds alot better than "Baby, Let's Rock."

As far as the two lines of lyrics that we got..I don't really see how one could call the lyrics shitty based on two lines. And once again, I wasn't even expecting great lyrics...for every good song lyric that Billy Corgan his written, he's written five horrible ones. His most consistent writing was on Adore and possibly Machina, and those two albums came out a loooong time ago.

I'm somewhat hopeful about the album, but I'm definitely not going to feel let down if it sucks, because..well...it's not like I'm expecting a masterpiece.

Now when Roger Waters puts out another solo album....that will be a masterpiece.

[Nicole]

STFU n00b, the thread was dead the moment it was stupidly sent to hell. Hell threads are fair game.

Far from a "n00b" trust me :)
I was talking about what was done for it to be sent to hell since you obviously need clarification.

[Celluloid Love]

chuck you listen to some fucking bullshit bands but no one quotes lyrics from them to mock publicly, reason being we've all got better things to do with our lives.

you are the ones giving it on a smashing pumpkins board. I disagree that you are here merely for the atmosphere or cause you liked mellon collie etc etc, I think you get kicks out of attempting to spoil it for people looking forward to the new album.

SO why dont you do everyone a favour and grow up, shut up, or fuck off. That goes to chuck, brad, kris, and all teh other no-names.

you've been a real pisser ever since your dad beat up that drunk guy

[Celluloid Love]

that would be a good song title! :D

[Cool As Ice Cream]

that would be a good song title! :D

for the arctic monkeys maybe.

[Celluloid Love]

fuck those guys

[Cool As Ice Cream]

it is their kinda song title.

[Jackal]

7 SOB-is about visiting Hot Topic stores.
Orchid-is a violent song about masochistic masturbation
and Tarantula's meaning is a critique of the pins and needles feeling you get when striking your elbow on a door frame.

[Noshus Klam]

Allison is the new bassist!